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PostPosted: September 13, 2011, 6:48 am 
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I was looking through some old stuff the other day and noticed that, back in the early '70s, a few people were building Sports Racers and sand rails with outboard powerheads adapted to various transaxles. Back when bike engines made 75hp, some outboards were making 200.

Around here outboard stuff is stupidly expensive, and by the time you fabricated a clutch and adapter plate you'd probably be way better off putting a turbo on a bike engine, but just in case you were wondering what to do with that party barge that hasn't been to the lake in three years...


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PostPosted: September 13, 2011, 10:51 am 
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This has been talked over a couple of times here. It's a good idea, outboard powerheads are designed for very heavy duty use - basically full throttle %90 of their life. Also seem weight and space saving designs.

I wonder if exhaust is a problem, since your average transaxle is not equipped for that!

Any pictures or threads you can point to?

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No, just the occasional mention in 40-year-old book or catalog, unfortunately.


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Back in the late 50's, my father's business partner's brother had an SCCA H Mod built around a Crosley chassis and suspension powered by a front engined Mercury four cylinder and with a hand formed aluminum body. Enormously loud with megaphone exhausts and always trailing a cloud of two stroke smoke. I know who has the car now and I would love to restore it but the owner is going to restore it some time.
There were also a few rear engined sports car specials with Mercury powerhead: mainly in the Oregon area.
The main problem with all the installations was getting the motor to run well when horizontal.
If you really want to try a two stroke, think sleds. Call Olaf Aean.
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Location: BC, Canada. eh?
For those of us in the "Great White North", who are allowed to travel to Cuba, you can see lots of cars powered by outboard motors. Apparently, it's easier to get a 220 hp Yamaha outboard motor & adapt it, than it is to find a rebuildable '57 Chevy engine, in Cuba...

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You should watch Yank Tanks on Netflix to see exactly why that is...


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The main problem with all the installations was getting the motor to run well when horizontal.


Does anyone know what the issues are here? I'm assuming that you could put a MegaSquirt on it or something similar. Is there an issue getting the water jacket to fill up? That's something that sounds like you could work around too.

Looks like remanufactured 6 cylinder, 3 litre powerheads cost about $3k.
http://www.crowleymarine.com/powerheads.cfm

Used ones look like $2k. This is probably not really a cheap option, unless you already own one, even then you could probably sell it and buy several Duratech's or other motors...

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PostPosted: September 25, 2011, 6:56 am 
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How about a marine inboard motor ?
(stop laughing !)

A Mercruiser 470 is a four cylinder pushrod engine, 3.7 litres, aluminium block, standard GM V8 bellhousing. It weighs about 330 Lbs with flywheel ready to go, and develops 190 Hp at 4,800 revs at wide open throttle and full load, for hours and hours continuously.

Not terribly spectacular standard....
BUT it uses many parts taken direct from a 460 big block Ford truck motor, including rods, pistons valve train, and the enormously heavy and notoriously poor breathing cast iron truck cylinder head.

The way to make these engines really go is to fit the aluminium Cobra Jet head, originally fitted to the Boss 429 engines. It is a straight bolt on. Or better still one of the more modern aftermarket aluminium heads.
You can even get aftermarket hemi heads (improved Boss Shotgun Hemi heads!!) with enormous power potential.
Fitting an aluminium head cuts about 30 Lbs from the engine weight.

These super strong truck like engines use the exact same five main bearings as a 351 Cleveland, and are a natural for forced induction. They are very strong simple light weight engines, with very few parts, which are compact for 3.7 litres.
And much lighter and narrower than a V6 of similar capacity.
They are also not that expensive secondhand.

It may not have quad overhead cams, or four valves per cylinder, or rev to astronomical rpm.
But 250 Hp to 350Hp normally aspirated and 300 Lbs running weight is not too bad.
With a turbo it would be a real killer.


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Warpspeed wrote:
How about a marine inboard motor ?
(stop laughing !)

A Mercruiser 470 is a four cylinder pushrod engine, 3.7 litres, aluminium block, standard GM V8 bellhousing. It weighs about 330 Lbs with flywheel ready to go, and develops 190 Hp at 4,800 revs at wide open throttle and full load, for hours and hours continuously.

Not terribly spectacular standard....
BUT it uses many parts taken direct from a 460 big block Ford truck motor, including rods, pistons valve train, and the enormously heavy and notoriously poor breathing cast iron truck cylinder head.

The way to make these engines really go is to fit the aluminium Cobra Jet head, originally fitted to the Boss 429 engines. It is a straight bolt on. Or better still one of the more modern aftermarket aluminium heads.
You can even get aftermarket hemi heads (improved Boss Shotgun Hemi heads!!) with enormous power potential.
Fitting an aluminium head cuts about 30 Lbs from the engine weight.

These super strong truck like engines use the exact same five main bearings as a 351 Cleveland, and are a natural for forced induction. They are very strong simple light weight engines, with very few parts, which are compact for 3.7 litres.
And much lighter and narrower than a V6 of similar capacity.
They are also not that expensive secondhand.

It may not have quad overhead cams, or four valves per cylinder, or rev to astronomical rpm.
But 250 Hp to 350Hp normally aspirated and 300 Lbs running weight is not too bad.
With a turbo it would be a real killer.



here is a cool read on that motor... could make for a very fun locost stump puller.. :)

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/show ... mercruiser


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PostPosted: March 27, 2013, 5:13 pm 
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Old thread, just adding a few references from the performance outboard world:

V8 outboard in a sand rail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... RKeuHyI0lw
Somewhere there is another video floating around of this car doing a wheelie on grass.

V6 outboard in a lola chassis
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Simon Motorsports built sand rail: Mercury 2.4, alcohol injected, turbo
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Dick O'Dea mercury-powered midget
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PostPosted: April 18, 2013, 1:38 pm 
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that's an interesting picture with Dick O'dea's car. those are NEMA (northeast midget assoc) cars. I raced in that club in 2001. easy to tell as they are the only midget club in the country that ran asphalt winged midgets. did a google search for Dick Odea and it looks like he ran for two races before NEMA banned his motors! bet that thing was crazy loud with those megaphones!


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well for anyone thinking about the Mercruiser mentioned heres my friends. i helped out with it alittle. its a rat rod cuatom chassis with fiberglass t-bucket body. Engine does have 460 internals, (what my friends shop specializes in) it does have a GM bolt pattern, (using s10 T5) and a keen eye may spot something else mounted to this engine!
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what about using the lower foot for a reverse gear?
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