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PostPosted: January 15, 2009, 10:22 am 
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Okay I have been reading alot about people using the R1 engine, and I see alot of kit cars using it. Is this because it does not need a dry sump for the fuel system? It seems to be pretty popular. I too have fallen in love with it.

Also where is the best place to get one? I know ebay usually has complete engines, but are there any other websites I should know about?

Logan

I tried searching first but did not find anything giving an exact reason, if you know the links, post them and I will happily read through those posts.

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Good power, cheaper than the hayabusa, and doesn't need an expensive dry sump are the reasons I've picked up on.

Plus the obvious lightness, it being a bike engine.

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Yeah the key is not needing a dry-sump oil system, a $2000 necessity on the Hayabusa.

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Some additional points to consider...

The R1 has fallen out of favor with BEC racers since the GSXR and ZX-10 make more power in racing trim, and that has meant lower prices for the R1. Same thing applies to Honda's 900-1000cc engines.

The '00 and earlier R1s had a reputation for breaking in BEC racing applications. Breaking...as in rods and pistons punching out through the case, or the case simply breaking/cracking. These years probably should not be considered for racing, but should do fine for street applications, and the price should reflect that.

R1s of all years have strong aftermarket and rebuild support, so the age of the engine shouldn't scare you off if it's running well. If it's both old and something is seriously wrong with it, pass on it.

R1s were carb'd up through the 2003 year model, and those years have much simpler wiring bundles than the later engines. OTOH, 2004 and later R1s make more power and have better 'drivability' and fuel economy than the earlier engines, so that may be a consideration. All in all, many second-tier BEC racers feel the '01-'03 carb'd R1 is an ideal compromise of cost, reliability and power. YMMV.

Finally, as with any engine you plan to take to DMV, be sure to get a solid bill of sale or ideally a copy of the title from the seller. I have lots of engines, but never bothered too much with documentation, so will have to buy yet another to get it through registration when the time comes... :cry:

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Great information! Thank you very much, maybe this should be stickied, unless it already was and I missed it :-)

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98-01 are carbed, 02/03 have essentially the same engine, but efi, 2004 is new design, revs to 14k


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Dauntless wrote:
All in all, many second-tier BEC racers feel the '01-'03 carb'd R1 is an ideal compromise of cost, reliability and power. YMMV.



+1 to tigris...

Pre 2002 were 20v carb'd
2002-2003 was a 20 valve FI engine
2004-2006 was a 20 valve FI engine
2007-2008 was a 16 valve FI engine with the introduction of computer controlled variable velocity stacks and fly by wire
2009 is a 16 valve FI engine with the new cross plane style crank

oh and the 2007+ motors have a slipper clutch... should be interesting driving for me with that. Never really heard of a slipper for a car, but man they are nice for downshifting a bike. Helps for a ton more corner speed.

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Hmm, I have never seen an EFI 02-03...only carb'd. Sorry to give bad info.

Of course, I've only seen them in BEC racers, so maybe there was something those guys don't like about the 02-03 EFI.

Thanks for the correction, though!

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Dauntless wrote:
Hmm, I have never seen an EFI 02-03...only carb'd. Sorry to give bad info.

Of course, I've only seen them in BEC racers, so maybe there was something those guys don't like about the 02-03 EFI.

Thanks for the correction, though!


Your not 100 percent off. It was more of a hybrid system between the two but it was FI. Kinda a weird setup. Becides converting FI to carb'd wouldn't be easy... Usually it easier to go the other way around...

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All the 03 and earlier ones my pals were running had Kiehin FCRs installed, so I thought they had simply upgraded the carbs. Only with the '04 and later do they retain and use the OEM EFI.

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I gotta admit, I'm kinda interested in the "where" part as well, Gforcefd. There aren't many motorcycles of the sportbike variety around here, do most of the builders on here get their engines and transmissions as packages or is there a donor-bike trade of some kind?


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Where are you located?

Someone might be able to point you in the direction of a local business.

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I'm in NC, in Asheville when not in school. I'll fix that on my profile, sorry.


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im in SA, TX and if u look around u can find 2or3 sport bike motors ragning from 600-750 cc running around on craigslist for a week or two and this happens about every month!

other then that, ebay.

also check with the insurance companies and offer to buy a wrecked sportbike from them, i'm sure u have a couple of bikes go down every month. just listen to police banter and find the insurance policy the bike was under and offer to buy it!

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www.ebay.com
www.r1-forum.com
www.sportbikes.net
Also google the WERA forum

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