LocostUSA.com

Learning how to build Lotus Seven replicas...together!
It is currently September 25, 2017, 6:17 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 11, 2015, 10:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: July 29, 2006, 9:10 pm
Posts: 2867
Location: Oregon, usually
Now that I have the Kokopelli molds, I'm giving serious thought to the Lotus 11 "Breadvan" concept, for both aerodynemic and practical (a place for the suitcases) reasons.

http://www.sucksqueezebangblow.co/2014/ ... advan.html

With a few mods to the roll bar, I could sleep in it.

(bottom pic on this one)

http://www.sportscardigest.com/goodwood ... -photos/4/

_________________
Locost builder and adventurer, and owner/operator of http://www.kineticvehicles.com


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 11, 2015, 10:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: March 3, 2006, 10:48 pm
Posts: 1285
Location: Shawnee, Ks
Hmmmm, doesn't do a lot for me. So that is more aero than without the top? I always thought a blocked off back created a backdraft? I see that there are a lot of NACA scoops. Maybe that helps. A rear exhaust might be a problem. Russ

_________________
You meet the nicest people in a Locost Se7en.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 11, 2015, 10:53 pm 
Offline
Toyotaphobe
User avatar

Joined: April 5, 2008, 2:25 am
Posts: 4461
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
I've got to say that's about the ugliest car I've ever seen.

But that doesn't mean it couldn't be done so that it would look good, just that version is ugly.

_________________
mobilito ergo sum
I drive therefore I am

I can explain it to you,
but I can't understand it for you.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 11, 2015, 11:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: July 29, 2006, 9:10 pm
Posts: 2867
Location: Oregon, usually
carguy123 wrote:
I've got to say that's about the ugliest car I've ever seen.
Franky, I'm with you on that--but the regs call for a car of the era "most resembling" the car you want to register, so this car may be our ace in the hole regarding a Kinetic "shooting brake".

_________________
Locost builder and adventurer, and owner/operator of http://www.kineticvehicles.com


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 12, 2015, 7:04 pm 
Offline

Joined: July 6, 2008, 11:15 am
Posts: 1045
Location: Cave Creek, AZ
The top on my S-1 goes all the way to the back of the trunk deck, fastening to snaps on the edge. It forms a kind of parcel shelf that is good for one soft case. Can't see out the back window but hey, it's a Seven.

Tom

_________________
Sometimes, I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.

My short term memory is absolutely horrible and so is my short term memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG16m2e4O6I


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 13, 2015, 6:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: October 24, 2008, 2:13 pm
Posts: 3136
Location: Carlsbad, California, USA
JackMcCornack wrote:
Now that I have the Kokopelli molds, I'm giving serious thought to the Lotus 11 "Breadvan" concept, for both aerodynemic and practical (a place for the suitcases) reasons.

http://www.sucksqueezebangblow.co/2014/ ... advan.html

With a few mods to the roll bar, I could sleep in it.

(bottom pic on this one)

http://www.sportscardigest.com/goodwood ... -photos/4/


Sorry if I've missed the boat here, but could you give a reference or URL for an image or graphic of what the "Kokopelli molds" will produce, Jack?

Thanks,

Lonnie

_________________
Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5886


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 13, 2015, 6:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: October 24, 2008, 2:13 pm
Posts: 3136
Location: Carlsbad, California, USA
I can't say that it's an attractive vehicle overall, but there are some very interesting elements present in it. The general shape up to the windshield is pretty nice. Mechanically, the bodywork and the way it fits together (doors, top to winshield supports, etc.) looks quite good leaving any issue of aesthetics out of the discussion. It's certainly no uglier than a Formula 1 race car is today, IMHO. Did it perform well for its day?

Cheers,

_________________
Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5886


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 13, 2015, 7:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: July 29, 2006, 9:10 pm
Posts: 2867
Location: Oregon, usually
Lonnie-S wrote:
...could you give a reference or URL for an image or graphic of what the "Kokopelli molds" will produce, Jack?
You bet, Lonnie:
Attachment:
Koko03.jpg
Koko03.jpg [ 21.69 KiB | Viewed 2087 times ]

Attachment:
Koko04.jpg
Koko04.jpg [ 59.63 KiB | Viewed 2087 times ]

It's a widened Lotus 11 body. I'm still waiting on a few things (CAD files for the aluminum bulkheads and panels) but I have the molds, which are the heavy awkward bits to move from one coast to the other. Here's a pic of the molds:
Attachment:
Koko02.jpg
Koko02.jpg [ 29.26 KiB | Viewed 2087 times ]

_________________
Locost builder and adventurer, and owner/operator of http://www.kineticvehicles.com


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 14, 2015, 9:08 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: October 24, 2008, 2:13 pm
Posts: 3136
Location: Carlsbad, California, USA
Excellent, Jack. That could be a good second project for me. Do you have the chassis plans too or just the bodywork/sheet metal designs?

Cheers,

_________________
Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5886


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 14, 2015, 11:44 am 
Offline
Toyotaphobe
User avatar

Joined: April 5, 2008, 2:25 am
Posts: 4461
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
How close is "close" when you're ready to register?

The idea has merit and could be good looking, it's just the way they did it originally

_________________
mobilito ergo sum
I drive therefore I am

I can explain it to you,
but I can't understand it for you.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 14, 2015, 8:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: January 2, 2009, 1:45 pm
Posts: 1139
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Jack, before everyone gets too excited, any thoughts on a windshield? A split pick-up piece like Lalo?

_________________
Warren
Isuzu Pickup/SR20DE, +401 COLD frame
Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=11601


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 14, 2015, 9:07 pm 
Offline

Joined: December 29, 2007, 10:41 pm
Posts: 811
Location: Vancouver, BC
Jack,
There is a slight connection between the breadvan and your molds. I've been lead to believe that Malcolm Linder did the original molds for the Kokopelli, and he's also responsible for the bodywork on the Breadvan replica (the original Breadvan was restored back to a stock Lotus 11).

Rod


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 15, 2015, 3:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: July 29, 2006, 9:10 pm
Posts: 2867
Location: Oregon, usually
Lonnie-S wrote:
Do you have the chassis plans too or just the bodywork/sheet metal designs?
No, no chassis plans--I don't believe there ever were formal chassis plans, the original builder (Tom Rodgers) didn't make many of them and he did each to customer preference. He used MGB subframes front and rear...I wasn't too concerned because I think a chassis redesign is in order.
carguy123 wrote:
How close is "close" when you're ready to register?
In DMV parlance, I see the phrase "most resembles" is the clincher. I've never heard of a Locost failing to "most resemble" a Lotus Seven, and the Kokopelli resembles a Lotus 11 more than a typical Locost resembles a Lotus Seven. If you put a bulge on the bonnet to fit a modern OHC engine (as shown in the dark green Miata-powered example above [and yeah, I have the mold for that too]) I guess it's possible that the gal behind the counter at Vehicle Inspection station will say, "1956 Lotus 11, huh? Looks to me more like a 1958 Lotus 15," but they're not going to send you packing. I think the "most resembles" rule is to keep folks from trying to smog their Miatas as replicas of a 1962 Lotus Elan. Anyway, the benefit of their being an 11 Breadvan is it gives me a photo to point to for a period-correct hardtop with some storage space, in case somebody says "1958 Lotus 11 replica, huh? It looks more like a 1997 Volvo 850 Station Wagon," which could otherwise be hard to argue with.
Warren Nethercote wrote:
Jack, before everyone gets too excited, any thoughts on a windshield? A split pick-up piece like Lalo?
For the roadster, either a replica clear plastic windscreen (it's not a windSHIELD, officer, it's a windSCREEN. See, I look -over- it, not -through- it) or in those states that call for it, a remove-after-registration flat glass windshield (as I currently have on my Lalo--though it's not required, it's a nice alternative to goggles, particularly in the rain) and I'm not completely sure on the breadvan/coupe version but most likely a split pickup windshield or a split early 'Vette.
cs3tcr wrote:
I've been lead to believe that Malcolm Linder did the original molds for the Kokopelli
Hm. I knew that about the Breadvan replica but hadn't heard it about the Kokopelli. Tom Rodgers told me he'd widened the body about 4" from the original 11, but he may have got his original 11 body from Malcolm Linder, or may even have hired Malcolm to do the widening. But I know he had the molds made in the US by a local boat manufacturer, which is why they're a bit unorthodox from an automotive standpoint (for one thing they're white). The Kokopelli is definitely wider than the Lotus 11...here's a shot of an 11 (coincidentally submitted to a Westfield 11 forum by Malcolm Linder):
Attachment:
Lotus11FtQtr.jpg
Lotus11FtQtr.jpg [ 74.3 KiB | Viewed 1964 times ]
Compared with the photo a few posts ago, you can see the lime green Kokopelli has a wider cooling air inlet in the nose than the 11, which is probably a good thing for the bigger engines these bigger cars are likely to enjoy. Of course, it's pretty easy to narrow a body if you find a Nash Metropolitan or Sprite axle and want an authentic sized 11 replica...

_________________
Locost builder and adventurer, and owner/operator of http://www.kineticvehicles.com


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 16, 2015, 1:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: October 24, 2008, 2:13 pm
Posts: 3136
Location: Carlsbad, California, USA
Is a building a prototype in your schedule yet? It looks very interesting to me.

Cheers,

_________________
Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5886


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 19, 2015, 7:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: February 28, 2007, 1:59 pm
Posts: 23
An option for a curved laminated windscreen is to use one from an old VW Super Beetle. Back in the late 80's that is what I used for my Westfield Lotus 11. It was housed in a fiberglass frame from a Ginetta G4 replica. It looks a bit tall in the photos but was really just the right height for me. Lotus actually made a couple of Elevens for the street with a full height flat screen in their Sport model. Please excuse the poor quality of the photos.


Attachments:
Westfield11 two 001.jpg
Westfield11 two 001.jpg [ 1.63 MiB | Viewed 1851 times ]
Westfield11 one a 001.jpg
Westfield11 one a 001.jpg [ 1.95 MiB | Viewed 1851 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
POWERED_BY