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Author:  tibimakai [ March 19, 2023, 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

I'm looking into the fuel cell size, placement and eventually building out the car's rear end.
I'm looking at Kinetic pictures, and I have noticed that the vertical tank is installed at an angle.
That is OK? What is the maximum angle that it can be installed at?
The 72 degree, or 18 (as the rear end angle of the car) would be OK?
If this is OK, that would be great news for me.
This way, the car will be longer at the back end, by roughly 5"-is, which I think it is still acceptable.
What do you guys think?

Tibor

Author:  Lonnie-S [ March 19, 2023, 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

The extra length looks fine to me. I made mine slightly longer in the boot to comfortably accommodate that same JAZ tank you mentioned plus give a little empty "crush space" behind it. In fact, Jack ordered my tank for me last week.

I'll defer to jack on the angle question. My build has a ledge intended be level at ride height for the tank to sit on. It also provides some more impact resistance for the rear.

Cheers,

Author:  tibimakai [ March 20, 2023, 10:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

If I would install it straight, then the car would be even longer at the end by a few more inches. That would look ugly, imho.

Author:  KB58 [ March 20, 2023, 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

The tip angle doesn't matter if the pick up is at or near the lowest point. Also, having it tipped forward (toward the front of the car) means that under acceleration, the tip angle is offset by the acceleration. Regardless, a small header tank is always a good idea, to remove bubbles from the fuel.

Author:  BostonWill [ March 21, 2023, 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

My tank has a tilt to it, but the top leans forward.

I do wish I had more of a "crumple zone" before the tubes hit the tank. But it fits right against the rear tubes. I hope the jeep wrangler spare tire mount would take a bit of the impact 1st. I do like the fact that my RCI aluminum tank is a 15 gal version. Makes for a decent range between fill ups.
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Author:  Miatav8,MstrASE,A&P,F [ March 21, 2023, 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

tibimakai wrote:
I'm looking into the fuel cell size, placement and eventually building out the car's rear end.
I'm looking at Kinetic pictures, and I have noticed that the vertical tank is installed at an angle.
That is OK? What is the maximum angle that it can be installed at?
The 72 degree, or 18 (as the rear end angle of the car) would be OK?
If this is OK, that would be great news for me.
This way, the car will be longer at the back end, by roughly 5"-is, which I think it is still acceptable.
What do you guys think?

Tibor


Ok? Yes. Is it all good? No, but it is minor. Don't ever completely fill any of these as-is. The tank is just one part of the system. Slosh from cornering and expansion space need to be considered and you can still do that when the time comes with a 18 degree forward tilted tank.

Author:  tibimakai [ March 21, 2023, 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

Thanks guys, that is a great news.
I will have a spare wheel on the back as well( I have purchased 5 of those wheels). That should help some in case a of a crash.
I was hoping to use an in tank pump, from the MX5, but I guess an external one should work as well, but it will be noisier.
How did you mount that wheel?

Author:  BostonWill [ March 22, 2023, 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

I have a Ford rear end & Mustang II front uprights & hubs. Jeep wheel patterns are the same.

So, I purchased a Jeep spare mount with the 3rd brake light. I really wanted a 3rd brake light since these cars are so low. Had to shorten the brake light stand so it was not so high above the low-profile tire. It is a bolt on mount as well- all plastic.

I welded two horizontal steel flat bars to align with the mounting bolts on the spare carrier. You could us the same mount for your car and simply redrill the wheel bolts for your pattern.

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the frame is upside down in this photo
the flat bar in the upper rt side is the mount for my license plate. I welded a tube off the lower frame and a flat bar to that.

Author:  tibimakai [ March 22, 2023, 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

Wow, that is a great idea. I did not think about that. I have seen people make like a bent tube under the tire, that also holds the licence plate. I'm not a fan of that look, but this one is a very elegant solution.
Thanks for that.
My wheel pattern is 5x114.3(4.5").

Author:  tibimakai [ March 22, 2023, 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

BostonWill, you are using the tank as is, no baffles and no foam?
For street use is really needed?

Author:  BostonWill [ March 23, 2023, 4:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

I am building the car for street use. No baffles or foam needed. Your tank in your car or truck does not have them either. If I wanted to add it later, I can add foam I have been told.

Author:  RTz [ March 23, 2023, 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

A factory Caterham tank is sloped on the bottom. See picture below. As KB mentioned it's fine as long as the pick-up is near the low point.

tibimakai wrote:
BostonWill, you are using the tank as is, no baffles and no foam?
For street use is really needed?

A fuel injected car should have some form of entrapment. There are many ways to go about it, swirl pots, header tanks, baffling, etc. Unless foams have changed, I don't believe foam by itself has ever been sufficient (though foam is great to control sloshing). Otherwise you'll get fueling 'hiccups' in corners as the pump picks up air when the tank is less than full.

Author:  tibimakai [ March 23, 2023, 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

Thank you guys. Most likely I will go with the RCI tank myself as well.

Author:  doommachine [ October 17, 2023, 2:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

Has anyone found anything better than the RCI 15 gallon tank for easy fit? I have been searching around a good bit and the space restrictions with an IRS setup complicates things. I am having my 3/4 tube bent with extra material so I can dial in the rear after getting the fuel solution figured. The tanks through Kinetic had a big jump in price from the manufacturer, and I am looking for options at least 6 gallon preferably

Author:  davew [ October 17, 2023, 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Jaz fuel cell installed at an angle?!

A word to the wise. Even if building a street car, you will need at a min 2 baffles. Even with baffles you should consider a gated sump for the fuel pick up. That was the final solution for a long sweeper fueling problem when I had less than a 1/2 tank of fuel.

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