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Which is what I thought we were talking about. While I wouldn't put it past them, I don't think the United States Congress will be able to succeed at regulating trikes in foreign countries.


Yes, I believe he is independently actuating the inboard front brake while applying power (to the outboard front wheel) to do those donuts. He also probably wouldn't need to have such overpressured rear tires, if he only had one of them...Glad to see you finally catching on to my comments though.

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"Orville Wright did not have a pilots license." - Gordon MacKenzie

Have you bought that cup of coffee yet? I recommend the Harevst Hazelnut Creme



if He continues leaning on that brake lever so hard, he's gonna wind up with a GLAZED...

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The B-3 build log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=13941 unfortunately, all the pictures were lost in the massive server crash

The beginnings of the Jag Special,
https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19012
Again, all pictures were lost.

I never really cared for coffee, thanks...But I'll certainly enjoy my hot-cocoa(s) while timing how long you can hold your breath.

LOL

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-Justin

"Orville Wright did not have a pilots license." - Gordon MacKenzie

boy they went overboard with the flat pieces of plywood when they made the plug for that body.

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Robb, I agree you can't drift or do donuts in a FWD, much to the consternation of many a young Honda owner, but I have seen videos of FWD sedans with steel cookie sheets under the rear wheels doing something similar.

We used to steal the serving trays from McDonalds.
They were good for about 10 minutes of parking lot fun before you'd wear a hole through.

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OOPS I did it again
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17496

Blood Sweat and Beers
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=15216

yup, in order to do what's just an easy stab of the throttle in RWD, the FWD guys have to cheat.

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The B-3 build log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=13941 unfortunately, all the pictures were lost in the massive server crash

The beginnings of the Jag Special,
https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19012
Again, all pictures were lost.

Anyone who states you can't drift a FWD car, well, simply put, you can't drive. "Drift" here being qualified as oversteer used to rotate or position the car's attitude for the purpose of getting to the next corner faster.

Oh sure you can't enter a "Drifting" or "Doughnut" competition but who would want to, 2 forms of absolute useless low grade forms of automotive activity. Sorry if I offended anyone, please don't take the rope from around your pants, tie me up and beat me with the dead raccoon you were skinning for dinner. Oh and your wife's name is Mabel, not "Sis".

you owe me a keyboard. This one has coffee all over it

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OOPS I did it again
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17496

Blood Sweat and Beers
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=15216

well duh, of course you can, why I've even looped a front-driver (a 1989 Ford Escort PONY- single TBI 1.9 CVH with a 4 speed - no less) on lift throttle oversteer...a little late on the gas that time... oopsie!

what you can't do in the front drive, is stomp on the gas and do a nice gratifying powerslide. Or, donut. NOPE you gotta fart around with the handbrake, or mash the brake pedal with your left foot while applying throttle (that's not abusive to machinery at all ;-P), or enter the corner a little hot, apex early, and then lift and manage the resulting oversteer with power, or do the "Fin Flick" (which is really a Dirt move, not pavement).

That stuff's fun and all but, its so much more gratifying to mash the gas, dump the clutch, and wail away from your drummer buddy's house with the tail backing out a nice 25-30 degrees, the rear tire howling plesantly, working the opposite lock as you shred the burnout...Dude, you get a good one going, it feels...EPIC.



Oh, I dunno, gives the Urban/EXTREEM! set something to do with their ground-slammed Civics and Corollas. Mind the fart can on that railroad crossing, sonny. *scccrrrrraaaaape!*



Wrong forum for that. if you wanna offend by implying the southern hilbilly stereotypes, you gotta go to at least a NASCAR website, though if you go to Intruderalert.com I can vouch for the high concentration of "War of Northern Agression" historical reconstructionists.

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The B-3 build log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=13941 unfortunately, all the pictures were lost in the massive server crash

The beginnings of the Jag Special,
https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19012
Again, all pictures were lost.

Well, the kids have stolen the word drift, but the way I learned it, drifting is balancing the front and rear slip angles by judicious use of the throttle. You can't stretch that definition to include oversteer in a FWD car no matter how good a driver you are.

Thank you, sir. I've been feeling very alone. It's nice to have some company.

Cheers,

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Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

Build Log: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5886

Pretty much, yeah. in a true drift, as I learned the definition reading R&T and C&D back in the '60s, all four wheels are sliding, in a controlled arc. I got it right exactly once, in my mom's 944, at a PCA track school in 1995. My instructor told me "You have good car control..." but that was right after she'd said "Okay, we're spinning..." and right before she said "SLOW DOWN!"

Meanwhile, back at the thread topic, how about that Polaris Slingshot, eh? pretty sweet

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The B-3 build log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=13941 unfortunately, all the pictures were lost in the massive server crash

The beginnings of the Jag Special,
https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=19012
Again, all pictures were lost.

I'd rather have a B3 or one of these.

From May 1982 Road and Track test:

"Around the skidpad, the Trihawk was a pusher whether traveling to the left or right. But it understeered its way to an impressively high 0.830g, beaten at our skidpad by precisely four cars: the BMW M1, Ferrari Boxer, Lamborghini Countach, and Porsche 930 Turbo. Lofty company indeed."

http://www.yellowtrihawk.com/documents. ... 59o9Q.dpbs

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My local club newsletter was called "The Four Wheel Drift". I joined before I was 20 and was in awe of the slightly older and quite hard core generation of drivers, some of whom went on to professional careers as drivers.

When you are drifting, you are cornering hard enough to generate relatively large slip angles on the tires. You can't just aim the car at an apex because you won't get there, the car will slip wide. So you have to figure that out and aim inside of your targets.

With either FWD or RWD applying power will change the slip angles. Generating slip also causes drag so people would start the "drift" during braking. With either a Ford Fiesta or a BMW your brake pedal was fire walled thru this process so getting the car a bit sideways was a big help.

None of this was real skidding, tires are made from rubber and all kinds of deformation is going on. Some spots in the contact patch can be sliding and some just slipping. Todays tires are much stiffer and this is less noticeable so people are a lot less conscious of it.

Really like the B3, really viscerally dislike the polaris. To me it has poser written all over it and then add in the electronics and it's a completely losing proposition at every level. If I came up on one of these in traffic on a track, I would be absolutely merciless to the poor guy... But I'd be happy to see the B3 out there...

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