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 Post subject: Re: Stalker BMW build
PostPosted: October 10, 2016, 11:08 pm 
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You're correct on the rings. You don't need to run lower tension, it's just that you can.

I understand your take on accusump. You're right, not so good for big tracks run with sticky tires.

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PostPosted: October 29, 2016, 4:50 pm 
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It fits!

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It's as close as it can get, the bottom of the bellhousing touches the table and with everything level and square the oil filter cover is about 1/4" from the inside of the hood.

A used Raceline 4 stage dry sump pump is sitting on the workbench. I'm going to use the stock BMW pressure pump and remove the pressure stage from my external pump. The BMW pump is a pretty trick variable volume job and it looks like it has more capacity than the pressure stage on the Raceline pump. I can't find numbers but the rumor is that the modern Vanos actuators take a bunch of oil volume to run so I'm worried about just slapping the Raceline on (probably sized for a small Chevy). This makes plumbing a tad easier also.

Also in the works:

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BMW S54 throttle bodies. They're on the big side but the time savings in not having to make a linkage for a bunch of motorcycle throttles is pretty huge. I'm 20% considering sleeving them down to 45mm but likely will just run it as is at 50mm to start.

I did a quick solid model and got a quote back for a CNC'd aluminum 2.5x1" adapter flange to go from the S54 throttle body pattern to the N52 intake flange and it wasn't bad at all. Around $400 for 3 pieces (total, not each). I figure there are at least two other people in the country who would want to do this and the added cost for the 2 extra parts is almost non-existent.

So, more engine modification than I originally intended, especially the oiling, but it's all fun so far.

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PostPosted: November 8, 2016, 9:40 pm 
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One step closer on the oil pump. I picked up a used Raceline 5 stage pump for cheap. As discussed earlier, I then decided to just use the scavenge stages with the stock pump providing pressure. Shortening it turned out to be a fun lathe project with some cutting, a snap ring groove, and threading. Looks more appropriate for the engine size now.

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Shortened parts:
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Shortened pump:
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Also finished up the design for the ITB adapter. It's really tight around that first throttle but it fits.
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Next up is the mount for the pump, it's going to involve the steering shaft snaking through there, should be interesting.

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PostPosted: November 21, 2016, 8:58 pm 
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The pump mount was interesting. I test drove emachineshop.com for the first time for the main piece of the mount and I couldn't be happier.

I made an 1/8" aluminum mockup to get everything in the right spot but it needed to be 0.5" thick for strength/stiffness. Making 0.5" thick aluminum parts without a CNC makes them look like you chewed them out of drywall so I wanted to have it made. I dowloaded the CAD software from emachineshop, swore at it for a few minutes until I found which way was up, and then drew the part. I moved the tolerances around until I liked the price (0.005" and 10deg draft angle, I think allowing water jet, 0.001" or 0 draft angle increased the price by about 40%, still not terrible) and hit 'buy.' 6 days later it shows up at my door looking awesome.

I know everyone "knows a guy" with a machine shop, water jet, etc. who swears they can do it cheaper but that turns into a PITA 100% of the time. This was easy, good quality, and a pretty good value. 0.5" ~4x4" aluminum with 4 unique hole sizes and a non-square shape was $61 shipped, would have been $105 for the tighter tolerances.

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There's a second bracket on the back to stiffen it some more:

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So, overall really happy with emachineshop. Also, I sent them a much more complicated model in solidworks format and they quoted it in two days, also for a good price. Not quite as easy as 'click to buy' with their software but still good service and you don't have to screw around with a second rate CAD program.

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PostPosted: November 22, 2016, 12:28 pm 
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Thanks for the info on eMachineShop. I'd not heard of them before. I've got it bookmarked now.

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PostPosted: December 23, 2016, 7:29 pm 
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Not much actually completed but some progress and an early Christmas present:

Oil pan on an MDF/steel plate to keep it from cracking during the somewhat violent cutting process:

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Nearly complete pan, need to add the front scavenge port but that one is easy. Keep in mind the engine sits at a 30 degree angle so that front bit doesn't take up any ground clearance. It also houses the stock pressure pump which I am using so it has to stay.

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Early Christmas present (well, not really early, 8 weeks late, actually. Doesn't matter, obviously)

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It all kind of fits:

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Also tried metal spinning some velocity stacks. I learned a LOT about how NOT to do it but it was fun to try. This attempt was massively better than the first one I tried a few hours before so I learned, I guess. The dude on youtube had much more success so I'm missing something. It seems hard on equipment. I think I'll buy them.

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Next up is some composites work for a change of pace now that the engine is sealed back up.

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PostPosted: March 18, 2017, 11:46 am 
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Work has been crazy so I'm in parts collecting mode right now.

Here's the latest e-machineshop.com part. It's an adapter I designed to bolt the S54 ITB's to the N52 head. Looks and fits great, can't wait to get it all bolted together. The ports through the adapter are lofted and perpendicular to each angled surface so there isn't just a chopped bend like it appears in the pictures.

I am sleeving the throttle bodies down from 50 to 45mm which is a PITA but less so than mounting 45mm motorcycle throttle bodies. Hard to figure out why BMW went so big on that engine, they could easily have gotten away with smaller at the power it made. I'm sure having electronic throttle control helped calm down the 50mm off idle issues but I just don't get why (I'm sure there's a reason, though. Being Germans and all).

CNC brake/clutch pedals arrived. Seats and an aluminum flywheel/clutch are also on the way.

I don't anticipate getting even a day in the garage until May 1. :mad:

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PostPosted: March 25, 2017, 5:08 pm 
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Managed to steal a couple hours today for some minor progress.

After much back and forth I did decide to sleeve the throttle bodies down from 50 to 45mm. So far going well. Now I just need to trim the butterflies which is not all that easy since they have to be cut on an angle.

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Odd accidental juxtaposition of a hammer and micrometers in this pic. Seems about right for my typical machining strategy :oops:

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PostPosted: March 25, 2017, 6:19 pm 
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Great build. I am looking forward to seeing how the Miata Stalker kit turns out, especially weight wise.

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PostPosted: May 12, 2017, 7:52 pm 
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Is this build still alive?
I can't say I get that excited about that motor without significant modifications but I would rather it have it over just about any NA 4 cyl.


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PostPosted: May 16, 2017, 8:46 pm 
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ajmacdon wrote:
Now I just need to trim the butterflies which is not all that easy since they have to be cut on an angle.


I had to make a single buttlefly years ago before I was smart and knew how to use the available tools. I spent hours trimming a little on the belt sander, fitting it to the shaft, trimming more, etc. It took several tries to get a good enough fit so the engine would idle.

A year or two later I saw a mandrel someone made for the lathe - they took a piece of round stock the same OD as the throttle body's ID, cut a face at whatever angle they wanted the butterfly at idle, drilled and tapped two holes to attach the butterfly, and bolted a rough cut piece of sheet metal to the mandrel. In a few passes they had a perfectly fitting butterfly.

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PostPosted: June 29, 2017, 9:29 pm 
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Got a new job that has been taking a lot of time but I've been collecting parts and tools. GM shuts down this week so I'm hoping for some progress!

New Mill - Paid as much as I would have for a used Bridgeport but I just don't have the space. This one is well reviewed and fits great in my shop. DRO and power X and Z are nice features too. I got a quality vice and a rotary table so can't wait to get started!
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Seats by JKComposites in the UK. Can't say enough about these guys, you order from the guy who will be laying the fiberglass and everything is pretty custom. Also quite reasonable prices, a pair of seats shipped to the US is hundreds of dollars less than a single Sparco/Momo, etc and thousands less than a Tillet. No FIA cert but no racecar either.
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One actual project complete, this is the motor controller for my Megasquirt homebrew electronic throttle control. It's a pololu part that does quite a bit of the diagnostics for me. Flame away, I've had enough stuck mechanical throttles that I'll go toe to toe with anyone who says this is dangerous. Makes ITB's driveable since you can vary the WOT position with RPM.
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So, hopefully some seats, pedals, steering column and trans tunnel to talk about later this week!

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PostPosted: July 29, 2017, 9:03 pm 
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I've had plenty of garage hours, just working through a ton of slow, detail stuff.

Overall getting close to steering, pedals and seat being done, seat mounts are all that's left.

Using a mountain bike headset for the column worked awesome, zero play and super smooth. The whole steering system is 1.125x0.049 tubing. 3 times stiffer than the typical 0.75x0.125 for the same weight (taking a lesson from work, steering shaft stiffness is uber important, too much is not enough).

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Could have done the column mounts in steel but wanted to excersize the new mill:
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Seat mounts, oil pump drive sprocket and gas tank are on the short list.

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PostPosted: August 12, 2017, 3:56 pm 
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Finished a project I've been worried about in the back of my mind for a while. I needed a drive snout for the oil pump belt and the interface isn't super simple (at least not simple to get acceptable runout). Made LOTS of chips on the lathe and got to exercise the rotary table on the new mill, finally getting used to the machine.

Bare snout on the engine:

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Pulley installed:

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Full pump drive:

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In the background I got the full steering shaft welded up. Next up is seat mounts and gas tank.

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