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 Post subject: V8 Ford Haynes.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:45 pm 
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I am currently building two Haynes roadsters with the V8 Ford engines in as a joint project with a friend. The chassis`s are built to book spec with the exception of the tube wall thickness which I have increased to 2mm. I am using the 302 Ford engine with Ali heads ,waterpump ,stacks ,getrag 265 gearbox with a tilton flywheel , reverse starter and custom made bellhousing. The criteria is to get the engine as low and as far back as possible with nothing hanging down under the car. I purchased a rusty old part built chassis to trial build and check clearances a few years ago and am now on the build proper.

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The two chassis made from 25x25x 2mm box.

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A sneaky peak with the dummy engine in position.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Wow nice shop!!!! It is about 3 times the size of most British shops I've seen, and it has a lift to boot. Russ

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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A Ford 302 in a Locost? Preposterous! Who ever heard of such a thing? Really, now!?!?! :mrgreen:
Just kiddin'... I used a 302 in my build. Nice engine, lots of torque and horsepower, narrow block, not too heavy (as cast-iron V8s go).

Those chassis look good! Nice work. And, like Russ said, that is one big shop building! Looks like a GI quonset hut...

Good luck with your builds, and keep the pictures coming!
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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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The mancave :) I had to liberated a bit of space just for the toys because nothing was happening to them , the main workshops always had something more pressing to do. I have also built a small machine shop with a mill , lathe , pillar drill and cut off saw. I will post up some pics later.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Terrific, now that I have adjusted to having a V6 in my Haynes, someone has to go and throw some more temptation my way again. :roll:
And to make it worse I now have a 302 sitting in the corner of my garage.

Look forward to your build. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Welcome Bob. The 302 fits in there pretty good you'll find, likely better with the Getrag, as quite a few of us have put a bit of a kink in that top bar, you may not have too.

Al, I think its time you started another build log.....

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Practice grinning now, it will help you from getting cramps when driving the finished build. The 5.0L (302 in my day) was built for a Super 7 IMHO.
Looking forward to enjoying following your build.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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horchoha wrote:
Practice grinning now, it will help you from getting cramps when driving the finished build. The 5.0L (302 in my day) was built for a Super 7 IMHO.
Looking forward to enjoying following your build.



Thanks for all the support, the UK lot think I am nuts :) Below is a few shots of the rusty old mule chassis I purchased for £50 prior to committing to the project, I have since given the mule chassis to a guy that is trying to shoehorn a BMW v8 into it. Criteria was to keep the standard width,height and length. The 302 fits a treat with only a few minor engineering challenges. The custom bellhousing I am making is the key because without this it would have to go way higher and be pulled forward which is not what I wanted.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Welcome Bob. You can be our uncle, we can always use another. :)

Is this motor noticeably larger than the Rover unit? I know there was discussion on an engine forum recently about putting the Ford crankshafts into the Rover engine, they have nearly identical bore spacing.

I'm very interested in your bell housing ideas. I wanted this for the car I am building, but while designing my frame it just seemed too much to take that on too.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Thanks for all the support, the UK lot think I am nuts

There was a British guy at our autocross on Sunday, in a Locost. His had a Toyota 4-cylinder. (Nice car, too!)
He looked at the V8 in my car and said, "You really ARE a lunatic, aren't you?" I thanked him... :mrgreen:
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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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horizenjob wrote:
Welcome Bob. You can be our uncle, we can always use another. :)

Is this motor noticeably larger than the Rover unit? I know there was discussion on an engine forum recently about putting the Ford crankshafts into the Rover engine, they have nearly identical bore spacing.

I'm very interested in your bell housing ideas. I wanted this for the car I am building, but while designing my frame it just seemed too much to take that on too.


The 302 ford is not as wide,long or as tall as the Rover , there is also virtually nothing in it weight wise either once the ali heads and water pump are installed. The standard 302 is too long for the car but with the use of the short pump set up and single pulley on the damper it fits no problem.

There is a rover here somewhere so I will put a tape over it.

Uncle Bob :)

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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bob wrote:
horizenjob wrote:
Welcome Bob. You can be our uncle, we can always use another. :)

Is this motor noticeably larger than the Rover unit? I know there was discussion on an engine forum recently about putting the Ford crankshafts into the Rover engine, they have nearly identical bore spacing.

I'm very interested in your bell housing ideas. I wanted this for the car I am building, but while designing my frame it just seemed too much to take that on too.


The 302 ford is not as wide,long or as tall as the Rover , there is also virtually nothing in it weight wise either once the ali heads and water pump are installed. The standard 302 is too long for the car but with the use of the short pump set up and single pulley on the damper it fits no problem.

There is a rover here somewhere so I will put a tape over it.

Uncle Bob :)


Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't the Rover V8 originally a licenced version of the Buick 215? I believe its the same engine that's in the triumph TR8. I've seen that engine and its noticably bigger than a small-block Ford.

EDIT: the Buick 215/Rover 3.5 are pretty much the same engine going by the wikipedia entry I found.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Yes, we shouldn't blame on the size on the Rover folk...
I think the 302 probably is about the smallest motor you can fit in our cars. The smaller flywheel Bob is suing and choosing a short intake might get you well under the height of a modern 4 with it's overhead cams...

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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Bob, Hope you won't find me "cheeky"- saw your shop, and had a couple of Questions; what are the dimensions of it, and how long and how deep into your pocket did that dynamite mancave take you? I really do want to "do this thing", but life and location have kept me planning and :lurking: for three or four years. Also, I really like the premise of a 5.0/7- short fuse, big boom, enough tork to afford any rear end (Lincoln IRS or Mustang Salisbury), many other Ford factory parts and tons of after market support. I plan to eat plenty pop corn here! Chris


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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
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mysmallwheels wrote:
Bob, Hope you won't find me "cheeky"- saw your shop, and had a couple of Questions; what are the dimensions of it, and how long and how deep into your pocket did that dynamite mancave take you? I really do want to "do this thing", but life and location have kept me planning and :lurking: for three or four years. Also, I really like the premise of a 5.0/7- short fuse, big boom, enough tork to afford any rear end (Lincoln IRS or Mustang Salisbury), many other Ford factory parts and tons of after market support. I plan to eat plenty pop corn here! Chris


Chris you would have been proud of me because its been built in true locost ways :) Its about 30`x45` with another small area where the mill and lathe is ,outside is a couple of 40` shipping containers full of useful manthings . :thmbsup: The white liner in the workshop are offcuts from a commercial truck bodybuilder and all those Lista cupboards which cost a fortune new came from an auction where no one else bid, I got the lot for less than $300. The worktops are ply with offcuts of heavy duty lino stuck down. The Stuska engine dyno came from the states but I have yet to plumb in the waterworks and commission it. Yes it was a lot of work but its nothing special really and I never broke the bank doing it. Whats more important is its well lit and insulated. These type of sheds can be a an oven in the summer and very cold in the winter but with all the insulation behind the liner its good all year .

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