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 Post subject: Re: V8 Ford Haynes.
PostPosted: August 22, 2014, 6:57 am 
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horizenjob wrote:
Yes, we shouldn't blame on the size on the Rover folk...
I think the 302 probably is about the smallest motor you can fit in our cars. The smaller flywheel Bob is suing and choosing a short intake might get you well under the height of a modern 4 with it's overhead cams...



And now of course, since I discovered that the latest iteration of the Buick 215/Rover 3.5 was a 4.2 in an early '00s Land Rover, I want one.
turns out they're pretty well supported in the aftermarket.

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PostPosted: August 23, 2014, 1:28 pm 
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The landrover discovery rad seems to be a nice snug fit in the nose cone , it also has a built in oil cooler/ heat exchanger. its 540mm wide and 420mm high with a tank width of 100mm . These are four or five core units depending on spec and will cool anything. The inlet and outlet dont foul the chassis and the bottom connections far enough away from the lower wishbone front mount to only need a 90 dgree bend.

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The second hand one will do for bracket making and trial fitting , a pair of new ones turned up on the bay of thieves which were new old stock so I grabbed them. I also got a 16" fan which fits the exposed core of the rad really well.

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Just tipped back at the top the rad has approx 15mm clear all round inside the nose cone . I am happy enough with the fit so I will get on and mount it properly , I will incorporate the fan brackets with rad mounts.

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PostPosted: August 24, 2014, 10:46 am 
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That radiator is a nice choice and looks to be very snug inside the nose. I wonder if there is a foam tape that would stand up to the heat if it was used to seal any of the small gaps between the radiator and the fiberglass nose? That would force almost 100% of the air through for cooling.

By the way, welcome to the "Locost Asylum" over here in The Colonies. It's OK, all-in-all. The inmates here run things. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: August 24, 2014, 11:04 am 
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Nice radiator. Will the oil cooler take the engine oil pressure?

I'm curious what the transaxle and bell housing is for in the background on your bench?

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PostPosted: August 24, 2014, 1:31 pm 
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Nice radiator. Will the oil cooler take the engine oil pressure?
I'm curious what the transaxle and bell housing is for in the background on your bench?


It should do because its the oil cooler for the rover engine, its not for a trans cooler.
The transaxle is a zf for the sister car to this. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=16644&p=187691#p187691

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PostPosted: August 24, 2014, 5:29 pm 
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I have been working on the steering column today, I am using the epas from the vauxhall corsa. A nice lightweight unit that can offer assistance turning the 2.4 ratio rack. The motor that sticks out the side would stop it being centralised so I am flipping it over.

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This bracket just needs to be turned 180 degrees.

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And the motor will sit like this.

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It has its own support bearing in the end so thats a job less. These units are also height adjustable .

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PostPosted: August 25, 2014, 12:23 pm 
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I sliced off the bracket with one of those thin cutting discs, I was going to drill out the pivot point but it is an offset affair so that wont work.

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Spun up a bung to centralise the bracket.

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Welded the bracket in its new position

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That makes an easy passage to the rack, the steering arm will be clear of the manifold by three inches and the UJ`s will only have to cope with 30 degrees.

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The adjustable column is between 550mm floor to wheel center and 650mm on the adjuster so it should be easy to slide in and out.

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Another upside to the column running over the top of the footwell rather than through it is it will give a bit more room for my feet when I fit this gem :)

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Great build so far good luck with the rest of it.

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That would be a great oem radiator to use if it were a common part here, but the turbo diesel wasn't offered here.

For those that do not know, the radiator was narrowed to fit the intercooler next to it, then thickened with additional rows to provide similar or better cooling capacity than the original full width radiator.

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Miatav8,MstrASE,A&P,F wrote:
That would be a great oem radiator to use if it were a common part here, but the turbo diesel wasn't offered here.


I got pretty excited by that radiator and found that the Land Rover part number is BTP2275, for TDI engines as indicated by Miatav8. Brand new ones can be had on US ebay for $299 including shipping from China.

That oil cooler is unfortunately for the transmission, as can be seen HERE. For cars with manual transmission it is left disconnected.

Welcome to the board, Bob! Always nice to see a Haynes build. I aspire to build one with the drivetrain from a 1987 Mazda RX7.

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PostPosted: September 6, 2014, 11:18 am 
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Pete the British version of the rad definitely has the engine oil cooler heat exchanger in the rad. I have noticed on some of the range rover units they have both trans and engine oil coolers fitted in the rad. If its just the ordinary manual TDI discovery 200 or 300 model though they will definitely be for the engine oil.
This is the one in Ali core http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DI ... 27e8209217

Brass tank and this guy does int shipping http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DE ... 4151f60ed8


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Well, Bob, it looks like I stand corrected re: engine oil cooling. Probably not a taker after all as the inlet is on the wrong side for me.

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Bob, where are you located?

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Bob, where are you located?


Guildford , Surrey in England.

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Pete B wrote:
Miatav8,MstrASE,A&P,F wrote:
That would be a great oem radiator to use if it were a common part here, but the turbo diesel wasn't offered here.


I got pretty excited by that radiator and found that the Land Rover part number is BTP2275, for TDI engines as indicated by Miatav8. Brand new ones can be had on US ebay for $299 including shipping from China.


I knew it could be had, but not for typical oem prices (i.e. $50-150). This the locost forum afterall. Those prices are more than some aftermarket racing radiators.

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