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PostPosted: March 26, 2018, 10:28 pm 
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It was the pretty busy weekend. I made some progress I want to share with you:
1) I made scans and CAD model of Borg Warner T5 transmission. If someone wonders about this process I have a small video on my Instagram.

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2)I decide to get rid of all Lada specific parts. Lada wheels have 4x98 bolt patterns. As long as I want to use light and small wheels I decide to use 4x100 bolt pattern. This was my start point. Next was wheel hubs. This thread https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewto ... 9&start=15 was very useful for me several years ago, but right now one of the most useful links to Timken PDF catalog is dead. After some extensive google search, it was found on Russian bearing site. coincidence? I think not. :lol:
http://podshipniki.net/files/Timken/BSA ... rOrder7564[1].pdf
After some importing to excel sorting and filtering I was able to find Hub that was not only direct fit to shortcut front upright but also having the same brake pilot diameter as Toyota 266x9mm brake rotor. SCORE! After this modeling adaptor to fit some Wilwoods 4-pots was easy-peasy. :twisted:

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3) Rear axle
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Why is the stocking of the rear axle made entirely independent and unusual?

First shortcut rear end was designed around really old Lada axle that very similar to original "book" escort axle. It's ok to use exotic parts when you need to build just one car. For a bunch of cars is very important to get some consistent results without quality or availability issues.

Soooooo... I start looking for a proper rear axle for my build. My options were:
RX7 gen1
Toyota 8 bolts
S10
Dwarfs/Legends

The decision was super easy. I choose to use none of them. 8)
From my first build, I wish to try De-Dion rear suspension. And I think it is the perfect moment to do so. Lucky for me, I made a scan of Subaru R160 diff couple years ago. Some quick(no) reverse engineering was made:

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PostPosted: March 27, 2018, 9:32 am 
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Which software package do you use for your 3D modeling?

I don't use Instagram. Is your scanning video available anywhere else such as YouTube?

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PostPosted: March 27, 2018, 11:11 am 
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Instagram? I have a teletype in my basement, so technically I can gram but it's telegram. The thing dims the lights in the room when I turn it on! :rofl:

Viza, thank you for this great thread you are putting on our forum!

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That's the T5 from either the Mustang or the S10?

The Camaro T5 is tilted and has the shifter at the end.

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Ok, I'll bite.

What's the cost of that handheld scanner, and what's the overall resolution?

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PostPosted: March 27, 2018, 9:29 pm 
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VIZA wrote:
And at what height did the RC come in front and behind?

40mm/185mm. My IRS car was 25/60
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And in what program did you consider the suspension?

Lonnie-S wrote:
Which software package do you use for your 3D modeling?


For all my designing need I use Solidworks 2017(I use it for my day job as well). For 3D scanning, I use Artec Studio 11.

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I don't use Instagram. Is your scanning video available anywhere else such as YouTube?

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Instagram? I have a teletype in my basement, so technically I can gram but it's telegram. The thing dims the lights in the room when I turn it on!


I'm not social networks fan either. But this kind of videos not worthing to upload on youtube. And if you want to stay tuned for interesting up to date projects you probably want to have some accounts. Just for instance check this guy:
https://www.instagram.com/3d_magic_mike/
I believe that you just can open https://www.instagram.com/shortcut_us/ in a browser and it should work ok.
teletype? really?! You need to post pictures! On Instagram! #teletype :twisted:

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That's the T5 from either the Mustang or the S10?

The transmission is from 1999 Isuzu Rodeo. Check out this great thread by Locofinn https://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewto ... =4&t=16446

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What's the cost of that handheld scanner, and what's the overall resolution?


Lucky for me, I didn't see the bill for this scanner. You can google price and specs for Artec Eva 3D scanner. Personally, I can't afford this kind of toys but lucky enough to have this equipment in access. I'm not sure about resolution, but my laptop starts making wired noises when I trying to use scans. :lol:

If you are still not sure to go and check the links in the Instagram here's a picture for you.
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PostPosted: March 28, 2018, 10:38 am 
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I love that pic :cheers:

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PostPosted: April 3, 2018, 9:35 pm 
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Hey everybody! I have some updates.
This week was crucial to finish chassis mods. So guys can start production of my chassis.
But first, suspension part:
After a decision to go with De-Dion suspension I start looking for components to fit my Subaru R160 Diff. The first thought was to use the complete axle from 98- Forester and just redrill hubs to fit 4x100 wheels. I purchase new axle https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 7310&jsn=1

I run into few issues:
Hub bearings assembly from forester has a casting that doesn't allow redrilling hubs.
I found hubs units from 00-04 outback with solid hub surface with the removable hub that makes them ideal for turning and machining.
150miles and 50$ later I found that outback bearings not only have different bearing diameter but different from other Subies splines count... :BH:
Using Axles form outback was a bad option because of an increased rear track.
On top of all these Suby axles looked really flimsy to me in terms of CVs diameter.

My research starts over again.
Some Datsun car using R160 diffs with stub axles and own axles. So a plan is to source or to make stub axles to fit Diff and use some bolt-on axles.
Rockauto, GKN and Lobro online catalogs were browsed from A-Z during few days. My search was finished were most people start... Miata!
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 0911&jsn=3
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Ok. this makes other parts fit more straightforward. Miata Axles + Miata Hubs + Miata rotor.
Only remaining part that was undefined is bearing module.
Back to Timken PDF catalog, I used for searching front bearings. 1 hour later solution was found:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 3022&jsn=2
Evolution hub bearing.
This setup is giving reasonable track width and easily available parts.
The rest was much easier. Some reverse engineering, some modeling and we have approximate rear suspension setup.
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The chassis part was more straightforward.
As I don't have an exact model of the engine yet. All I need is add mounting points for Diff mounting,
Clear some space in the engine bay for intake and turbo manifolds and add some front engine mount point.
Long story short: here is pictures:
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Next week guys in DK racing should start manufacturing of my frame and rear axle. Finger crossed I didn't make some big errors on my part.
Thanks, guys! Have Fun!


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PostPosted: April 6, 2018, 10:57 pm 
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Ok guys, so here is the story.
I was seating home yesterday and making some progress on reverse engendering of latest eBay purchase - Audi A6 2.7 driver side intercooler when the brick flew through my window and fall right next to me!
After the first shock and I noticed a piece of paper attached to it. And this was a message! Here what was written:
Listen here, you hipster. We don't like your fancy CAD pictures, your 3D scans, and your Instagram. Give us some steel pictures, weld close-ups, and "First test drive" photo!
Signature: locostusa.com activity committee.

And I notice the couple of +442 V8 locosts speeding from my home...

Guys, really, I'm doing my best.
I don't want any troubles. :mrgreen:
Lucky for me guys from DK racing just now start to assemble my chassis. We still waiting for custom parts from laser cutting.
Here is couple of pics and video! On youtube!!! :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaH_Kr ... e=youtu.be
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PostPosted: April 7, 2018, 1:27 am 
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VIZA wrote:
I start looking for components to fit my Subaru R160 Diff.
Some Datsun car using R160 diffs with stub axles and own axles. So a plan is to source or to make stub axles to fit Diff and use some bolt-on axles.


The R160 is used in Subaru, but it is most certainly a Nissan (Datsun) differential, starting with the late 1960s Datsun 1600 (610). It and the stronger R180 were used in millions of Nissan and Subaru cars all over the world.

The R180 is a direct replacement with many aftermarket ratios and limited slip diffs available as they are extremely popular in countries such as Australia for racing and rallying (both Nissan and Subaru cars).

The larger R200 can also be used, but not exactly the same.


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VIZA wrote:
Ok guys, so here is the story.
I was seating home yesterday and making some progress on reverse engendering of latest eBay purchase - Audi A6 2.7 driver side intercooler when the brick flew through my window and fall right next to me!
After the first shock and I noticed a piece of paper attached to it. And this was a message! Here what was written:
Listen here, you hipster. We don't like your fancy CAD pictures, your 3D scans, and your Instagram. Give us some steel pictures, weld close-ups, and "First test drive" photo!
Signature: locostusa.com activity committee.

And I notice the couple of +442 V8 locosts speeding from my home...



After such an action, I would put bricks.)))
And my advice is to go to the culmination and buy a logarithmic ruler)))

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That's a nice system they use on that rolling cart. It looks like the chassis comes together very quickly. Is that cart new for your "US Spec" chassis, or is that the way they usually build?

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Lonnie-S wrote:
That's a nice system they use on that rolling cart. It looks like the chassis comes together very quickly. Is that cart new for your "US Spec" chassis, or is that the way they usually build?

Cheers,


This standard Jig for all Shortcut chassis. My chassis no different in general from basic kit. Just a couple of tubes and 7 sheet metal parts.
You right, if you have all parts it usually takes 2-3 days to complete chassis including roll cage.
My was a little different, and we wait 4 days for sheet metal. So here the result: :headbang:
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Axle, panels and powdercoating next week! :yay:

Some nerdy pics from local junkyard:


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Just quick photo update.
De-Dion Axle ready:


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Interesting choice. I believe that this is the first DeDion rear setup that I have seen done here since I joined. It is not very popular for some reason. I considered it back when I was building but ended up going IRS because I thought it was simpler. and I wanted lower unsprung weight for a street car. I wonder why you decided not to go full IRS?

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