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PostPosted: October 19, 2020, 10:52 am 
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Spent some time in the shop cleaning the block and analyzing #5 cylinder issue. Could not see any visible cause either on the block or the head that would cause coolant to enter #5 cylinder other than the steel head gasket. In the pic of the block you can see #5 cylinder clearly. Honed the other cylinders. Backing up a bit with this story, this must have happened miles and miles ago because when I removed the head the eroded area was shiny like the rest of the cylinder surface area and there is no noticeable damage to the piston.
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Took the time to check the valves, cleaned them, and sharpened them up. Every time I grind valves I remember my dad, who for a time worked as a parts man at my uncles Ford/Case/Versatile/New Holland dealership back in the late 50's. Said they used to charge 2 bits a valve and 2 bits a hole to do a valve grind job. So by grinding the valves myself so far I've saved $3 :rofl:
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Since I was doing the reassembly, they taught me how to carve the bearings to fit with a kitchen knife. Really! 20 years later, when the engine was fired up the first time, the oil pressure was great! Do you remember when mechanics used to knurl a used piston skirt to reduce piston slap?
Yes Chuck, knurling used pistons was standard repair practice when I was in Auto school. Had the pleasure of actually knurling a few myself. The big selling feature for knurling was "the knurl traps oil so the piston gets better lubrication", whether that's fact or not who knows but it did reduce piston to wall clearance. And I've also had the pleasure of carving newly installed cam brgs with a curved blade scalpel to get the cam to fit, it just takes finesse, time, and patience.
Bet people would gasp at such practices today.


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PostPosted: October 19, 2020, 4:53 pm 
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Well, I never knurled on myself. It looks like we might be brothers by a different mother with the practice of cam bearing carving by hand. :cheers:

That piston wall pitting wouldn't bother me if it were below the ring travel. But it looks like the damage is in the ring travel range. The other cyls look like a ridge or is it a corrosion ring?

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Seems to me that new minimum oversize pistons would be preferable to a sleeve and %? taper remaining in the other cylinders.
Sleeves are not cheap and thermal conductivity is sometimes an issue.

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The other cyls look like a ridge or is it a corrosion ring?
That's the top ring reversal area of the cylinder. I've honed many blocks from 3.5hp lawnmower engines to 2600hp engines that had not been honed extensively to remove the top ring reversal, never had an issue that I can recall. Yeah, about honing 2600hp V12 engine, 16.25" diameter cylinders, had to hang the huge hone/drill assembly from an overhead crane with several bungee straps. You would add or remove bungee straps till you had a good balance pushing the hone/drill into the cylinder and letting the bungees help you pull it up.
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Sleeves are not cheap and thermal conductivity is sometimes an issue.
Just talked to a engine shop today, quoted less than $200CAN ($120US) to bore and install sleeve, hone to OEM size, price of sleeve included. Sleeves on RockAuto for the Slant 6 are $22.79US a piece.

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New pistons, https://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp- ... make/dodge

$95.00 - $125.00 depending on choice.

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RichardSIA wrote:
$95.00 - $125.00 depending on choice.
Richard you must remember I live north of the 49th. That means no free shipping to Canada, that means us Canadians get raped at the border for duty and customs fees which usually increases the purchase 40-80%. I can buy pistons in Canada for $106US with free shipping, but I don't need them. Thanks for the info though.

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Small update - block is in at engine machine shop to bore and install sleeve in #5 cylinder. Received 75% of the overhaul parts for the engine.

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So far as I know piston off-set is used to reduce thrust side wear.
Yes, and that's as far as I know too. That said, if a V8 has pistons with valve relief cutouts, then to reduce thrust wear, the offset is positioned so the force of the piston during combustion is more closely aligned with the direction of the rod. The 'up' side of the pistons will have the cutout for the intake valve(s) and the 'down' side of the pistons will have the cutout for the exhaust valve(s), so if there's a piston pin offset, it will be offset one way (relative to the valve cutouts) on half the pistons and the opposite way on the other half. Or so it seems to me. My guess is that V8 engines don't generally use wrist pin offsets, or I'd have run across this before.

Some of the old Ford 429's used left and right bank pistons for this reason. I don't remember for sure, but I think it was the 429 Super Cobra Jet and 429 police interceptor that did this.
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Felt kind of lazy, went out to the shop today, swept the floor, scratched a bit. Then I thought, this would be a good day to figure out the mathematical question I need to figure out on my ice cream cruiser builds. I set about brain figurin' the measurement for the technical term I refer to as 'arsefitment measurement'. Now the reason for this measurement is that I want comfort, I'm not sitting in this 7 for a couple minute run (NOT like there's anything wrong with that), yes I can still get in a car like a pretzel, but now a days I can't unfold from a pretzel. There's a joke about that I'll post on the joke thread, remind me.
To accomplish this I mocked up the diff, old drums, wheel spacers (from experience building the TBird 7) and wheels. to me this is the most important part of a non book build, it determines frame width.
I installed the old drums, then bolted on the 1 1/2" spacers.
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Then bolted on the wheels.
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Then I proceeded figurin' and scratchin. Measurement between the tire sidewalls = 54 1/2". Then I measured pinion offset = 1", so centreline of pinion on PS = 26 1/4" and DS = 28 1/4".
So because of the massive HP (weight) of this build I'm opting to use 1 1/4" x .100" sq tube for the frame like the TBird 7. So considering a generous gap of 1/2" space between the diff yoke and the inner tunnel (I'm using 3/4" sq tube for the tunnel), I figured on an 8" wide tunnel which centers it considering the pinion offset.
I'm giving myself 3/4" between the sidewall of the tire and the outside of the frame, so 54 1/2" - (3/4" + 3/4") = 53" outside wide frame. So take 53" and subtract the tube size (1 1/4" x 2) you get 51 1/2" width inside the office. Now remember the 8" wide tunnel, I split 51 1/2" to get 25 3/4", then split the tunnel (8"/2=4"), subtract 4" from 25 3/4" = 21 3/4". Take away 1 3/4" for some wiggle room and I get an 'arsefitment measurement' of 20". That's the width of the bucket seats for this ice cream cruiser.
Didn't use a computer program or an App, just the old noodle, measuring tape, pen and paper. NOT that there's anything wrong with computer programs and App's.
Hopefully this info will help you on your 'arsefitment measurement' on your builds :rofl:


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Out to the shop after supper. Friend brought his Dodge Nitro over, slow leak on the RF tire. Popped it off the rim, cleaned the rim, brushed on some bead seal, mounted and installed back on Nitro. Noticed trans fluid dripping on the floor. R&R batt, air box, coolant/windsheild reservoir, and grill assembly. Installed 2 new o-rings on the lines to the trans cooler. Hour later we were drinking debriefing fluid (him beer me rum), all is good.
That was payment for some parts he brought for me.
After he left, back to the build. Cleaned up the front spindles earlier. I like to use a TRE as a top BJ. Problem: tapered hole is too large for the TRE I plan on using.
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Just happens a 3/8 NPT tap fits nicely in the hole, cut a few threads for the next step.
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Lock tight, and screw in nipple to refusal. The nipple is the part that was brought out tonight.
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Then trimmed the nipple flush.
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Run a 1/2" drill through to prepare for reaming. Then reamed to size.
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Once reamed test fir TRE to spindle.
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This is the reamer used.
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And thats the locost way to resize a large tapered hole


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Spent a bit of time in the shop cleaning the head.
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Don't know if I'm getting older or if 6 cylinder heads are getting heavier. :?
Then set up to grind the seats.
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Not everybody has a valve grinder in their garage. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you do.

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If you have a valve grinder in the garage, why are those valves not back cut?
Low lift flow is low hanging fruit and pays off well.

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The lip on the back of the valve is killing low lift flow.
Use lapping compound to define the seat area, then cut off the lip at an angle between the seat angle and the angle of the back of the valve, down close to the seat area.

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Interest build. Those slat 6 motors are about indestructible. And you can get good power out of them. Look forward to following this build..... :D

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