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 Post subject: Mark's 3800 v6 442e
PostPosted: April 27, 2010, 4:58 pm 
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I started my build table and frame about a month ago. I had been collecting parts for another project when I came across this site. I had always wanted a 7 but the kits were out of my reach.
I have a 3800 from a 96 Camaro, a t5 from a 89 T-Bird and a disc brake rear end from a 98 s10 Blazer.
I'm sure I will have a lot of questions in the future, this forum is a wealth of knowledge.


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 Post subject: Re: Mark's 3800 v6 442e
PostPosted: April 28, 2010, 5:05 pm 
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disc brake rear end from a 98 s10 Blazer.


Make sure you measure that rear end to fit, a lot of the S10 rear ends are just a hair to short to use in a +442e frame (It was originally the rear end I was planning on using).

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 Post subject: Re: Mark's 3800 v6 442e
PostPosted: April 28, 2010, 7:04 pm 
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What is the width of the "e"? I'm building a 442 which is 46" and the rear from a 96 Bravada is just about right at 59 3/4.

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 Post subject: Re: Mark's 3800 v6 442e
PostPosted: April 28, 2010, 8:18 pm 
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RacerDan wrote:
What is the width of the "e"? I'm building a 442 which is 46" and the rear from a 96 Bravada is just about right at 59 3/4.

It is 4 in. wider along the whole frame it is 46 at the rear also. The rear is out of a 4x4 Blazer, should be the same as yours.

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PostPosted: April 28, 2010, 9:51 pm 
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The 442E is 4 inches wider, 4 inches longer, and 2 inches taller than "the book" overall (as indicated above)... and unlike the "442"... the extra 4 inch width was applied throughout... requiring a "wider than the book" nosecone.

As for choosing a chassis width and/or rear axle width... I always recommend mounting your intended wheels and tires on the rear axle, then measure the distance between the inside of the tires. I rarely consider flange-to-flange measures because they don't mean much to a given build without some knowledge of the wheel and tire geometry. Anyway... I propose at least 1.5 inches of clearance on each side (between the rubber tire and the steel chassis)... 2 inches on each side to be comfortable. So with a 442 (or 442E) at 46 inches wide... you want to shoot for a tire-to-tire measure of about 50 inches.

I'm sure it goes without saying, but different wheel offset or wheel spacers can be used to give more clearance (I just started following these threads after a long break, so I'm sure to repeat a lot of common knowledge). You'll want to layout the front lower control arms to at least match the rear track width.

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Jim M.

PS - Is anyone interested in a "332" or "322" chassis?... to better fit rear axles like the S-10 or the Miata stock width (from what I've heard). My personal build is 45 inches in the rear to better fit the 1st Gen. RX7.... just wondering if there is interest.


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I got most of the bracing done this weekend and started on the trans tunnel.


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Not much progress this week, started final welding the frame. I went to my home town and picked up my engine and rear end. It was missing a rotor and caliper bracket, but the price was right. Rock auto has them cheap.


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I started mocking up the rear suspension. Is it better to have the panhard bar parallel to the axle or is an angle to clear the diff cover
alright ?


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The bar needs to be as long as possible and horizontal. It needs to be straight because it will be stiffer, so offset the brackets from the diff as necessary for a long, straight, horizontal bar to clear through the range of suspension travel, one wheel bumps, and body roll.

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Life happens, but I'm back working on my car. The rear is a roller now, minus the shocks.


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Welcome back. It's nice to have another V6 Locost. It's been pretty lonesome [LOL].

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Welcome back. We have a few locosters and other 7's in KC. We'll have to get together sometime. I'll be back in town mid July. Russ

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Good to have you back. Now git to buildin' something! :mrgreen:

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Yeah! What they said! And we want feelthy peekchurs, too!

You said you were using a Ford transmission with the RWD V6; just FYI, there were several bellhousing depths, input shaft lengths, pilot bearing diameters, and transmission-to-bellhousing bolt patterns; if you haven't already, it would be a good idea to make sure all the bits bolt up properly, the pilot bearing doesn't run off the end of the input sleeve, and the bearing and pressure plate have clearance at rest and enough motion to get .030" or so of gap between the disc and the flywheel or pressure ring when the clutch is depressed. Use some tape or clay on the input splines to make sure the disc fully engages the splines.

If you have to, you can cut 3/4" or 1" access ports with a hole saw so you can actually look in there, and you can get plastic plugs from the local home center to plug the holes when you're done. Even 2" holes won't hurt if you need them.

Also, if you don't have the driveshaft yoke yet, it's a lot easier to make sure it fits before the transmission is in the car... and make sure it goes all the way on; if the splines are worn or the unused splines are rusty, it can be troublesome when trying to install your expensive, newly cut and balanced driveshaft...

[cough, cough] This is all completely theoretical, you understand, and any accusations of various "learning experiences" involving jackstands, drop lights, a gravel driveway, and giant mosquitoes are purely imaginary...


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I traded the ford t5 for a t5 from a 2001 v6 Camaro, so no guessing what fits now. The harness and computer I ordered should be arrive in a few day, don't need it yet but it was a good deal.

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