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 Post subject: Re: Project Widow Maker
PostPosted: August 17, 2010, 7:58 am 
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looks pretty good to me. i agree with adding the 3 green bars, the weight of the rearmost ones aren't much and since most of the box beam making up the frame is gone you may need the bracing. in addition the lower front link attachment points (rear suspension) may need strengthening for the same reason. ...

I have to agree with everything Jack said and I'd like to suggest going a bit further. I'm an Evo guy and I know the kind of violence that a 4G63 is more than willing to transmit to the rest of the car once it's pushing some decent power.

First I'd suggest including all the subframe and/or suspension pick-ups in your triangulated structure. Think carefully about where the loads from your driveline will be passed into the chassis through the suspension pick-up and sub frames and then make sure those areas are well supported.

Be sure to tie in the engine and transmission mounts from the unibody as solidly as possible; you removed almost all of the structure that used to support those areas of the chassis so adding back structure will be important. You may even want to look at providing some support across the front of what remains of the chassis to help keep the engine bay from deforming when the engine/driveline loads start to move everything around.

I would even recommend adding back the front engine mount and the cross member that goes under the engine bay from front to back; I once had my Evo tear the back ear/mount off the transmission case (housing) because it was spinning then hooked up traction and delivered a very expensive, part-breaking shock to the driveline. Even with all the OE mounts in good condition and fully in place .. but I was on very sticky rubber.

Very cool project :)

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PostPosted: August 17, 2010, 5:12 pm 
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Yes, I am a little worried about the violence of the 4g63 stroker.
It was already impressive when it was a 3000 pounds car.
I will look into reinforcing the subframe mounting points and the front subframe.
I am keeping the tires as narrow as possible so they act as fuses and spare the driveline.

I wanted to get your thinking on the water to air intercooler system I am planning to use:
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It is pretty standard except that the water in the tank is cooled by expanding liquid CO2.
When the water temp raises you open the tank for a few seconds and the CO2 chills the water when it expand in the cooper coil.
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PostPosted: August 17, 2010, 7:20 pm 
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It wouldn't last long but if you did have the co2 spraying you could have it do something like spray on the radiator or on the tubing before or after the intercooler. It would give you that much more cooling.


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I am now looking for some Koni inserts for the front.
I am looking to get a bottom mounted one with the shortest body possible.

I found some good ones:

Mazda RX7 86-92 320mm
Toyota MR2 spyder ???mm

Any more ideas?

I have no pictures of the buggy but I will post a Picture of my Seven.
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PostPosted: August 21, 2010, 11:26 am 
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I wanted to get your thinking on the water to air intercooler system I am planning to use:
It is pretty standard except that the water in the tank is cooled by expanding liquid CO2.
When the water temp raises you open the tank for a few seconds and the CO2 chills the water when it expand in the cooper coil. :?: :?: :?:
While it would work I doubt you can carry enough CO2 to do it for very long. And you'd need a pretty efficient CO2 to water cooler.

Just do like the truckers used to do when their motor was overheating on an uphill climb. Spray water on the radiator (in this case the intercooler) with the pump. The water should weigh less than a high pressure CO2 tank. Or get a bigger intercooler.

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i think you would get a better return for the weight by using a single pass trans cooler in front of the radiator to cool the water. .. water based charge coolers are pretty efficient overall within their limitations. as an example, http://www.freewebs.com/wrxic/airwater.htm
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The air/water intercooling system should be more efficient in normal road driving due to the much higher heat sink capability of water over air. Water apparently absorbs four times the amount of heat that air does but it is worth bearing in mind that the water supply is finite (in my case now about 6 litres or 1.5 gallons in total) as opposed to an air/air which has an infinite supply of air to cool itself. Therefore, in road use when boost is used occasionally (for overtaking etc) and the average speed is fairly low, the air/water should be a better method. Using it on a track, the water will not get a chance to cool down between periods of boost and may result in being less efficient than an air/air unit. This obviously makes the size of the radiator important - the larger it is, the quicker the water cools down again.


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PostPosted: August 29, 2010, 3:15 pm 
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bought this windshield for $50.
It is from a 1961 Healey Sprite.
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I am mounting it directly to the cage trough home made brackets.
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With the 2 halves of the hood in place you can se by how much I had to widen the front of the body.

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id really like to see more pictures of your seven
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Ok, I do not have that many pictures but I will start a thread in the Showcase area.

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I want to finish all the fiberglass work before it gets cold.
So I did the narrowing of the back and the widening of the hood.
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Now the hood
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Prep for the hood vent.
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Cut and mocked.
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Done for today.
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Was your hood vent once a jeep fender flare?


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Flipper_1938 wrote:
Was your hood vent once a jeep fender flare?

No but it's a great idea...

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I did some work on the hood.
First blend the vent in:

The vent is glue with epoxy, then I filled the gaps with bondo and glass on top for a crack free smooth surface.
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I also started the suspension towers covers.
My wife was so nice and gave me an old Tuperware bowl.
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I filled it with fiberglass and resin.
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Let it dry and pulled the stuff out.
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Then cut in two pieces.
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first try fit.
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Ok that is better.
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Glue with epoxy.
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Glassed in.
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It is not looking awesome but it will work for now.

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Be careful with a CO2 tank. If you are using a regulator to reduce pressure before your tank, it will get most of the cooling. If you go direct to your tank and the outlet gets frosted shut, it will explode in fairly short order. It the tank has much volume of CO2 in it when it goes, there could be "issues"...

The tanks are also heavy. It needs to be mounted so that it doesn't come loose in an accident, so safe for something like 20g's.

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Be careful with a CO2 tank. If you are using a regulator to reduce pressure before your tank, it will get most of the cooling. If you go direct to your tank and the outlet gets frosted shut, it will explode in fairly short order. It the tank has much volume of CO2 in it when it goes, there could be "issues"...

The tanks are also heavy. It needs to be mounted so that it doesn't come loose in an accident, so safe for something like 20g's.

Does anybody know how those guys http://www.designengineering.com/catalog/cryo2-system-components solve those issues?

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