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I'd like to know if anyone has gone the route of a "Homebuilt" status when registering their vehicle, as opposed to a "kit-car" status.

I've searched through a lot of posts on here regarding Ontario registration, and it seems everyone goes the "kit-car" way.

I'm asking this because when I build mine, there won't be parts from a "kit". In turn making it a homebuilt and not a kit-car.
I'd rather not attempt to lie to the MTO about it being a form of "kit-car".

Plans are for a MEV with a partially exposed frame and a full windshield (If it's possible to have a full bodied car windshield shortened).

I know I won't have a receipt for the engine. Everything else I'll have a bill from all the materials.
Would buying a donor vehicle and having it registered in my name suffice for having a receipt for the engine?

Thanks,
Adam

I got mine registered last fall in Whitby. It was no problem at all. The clerk at the MOT wasn't familiar with the process but called their hotline and they walked her through it.
My situation was unique in that it was an all electric (no ice) vehicle which they could not register. So what I did was register it as a gas powered vehicle first and then I had to go to another office to register a gas to electric conversion.
Because I didn't have an emission test certificate, they registered the gas car as "unplated". Then when I went to register the conversion, I didn't need the emission test.

Basically, you need to go in with bills of sale for all major components (they want to make sure there are no stolen parts and that HST has been paid on all parts). You'll need your emission test certificate, regular safety certificate done by licenced mechanic of your choice, photocopies of all bills of sale for major components, proof of empty weight ( I got the guys at a local highway weigh station to weigh mine), completed Application for Registration form (which you get at the MOT office), proof of identity, and a completed notarized affidavit similar to the one below.

Affidavit for Application for Homebuilt Vehicle Registration
I, my name, of the City of city, in the Province of Ontario, MAKE OATH AND SAY AS FOLLOWS:
I am applying for Vehicle Registration in the Province of Ontario for a passenger car that I personally designed and built.
Vehicle Information.
1. Vehicle Identification Number – To be assigned by Ontario MOT
2. Make – Homebuilt
3. Model – whatever you want to call it
4. Year – 2011
5. Body Type – 2 seat - 2 door - convertible
6. Number of Cylinders – 4
7. Power – Gasoline
8. Colour – White
9. Weight Empty – 570 kg.
I certify that I am the legal and rightful owner of all material and components used in this vehicle.
Major components were sourced as follows:
1. Engine, transmission, drive shafts, brakes from 1989 Suzuki Swift that I own. (see attached vehicle permit)
2. Steel tubing and sheet metal used in the fabrication of the chassis were purchased from Metals Plus in Whitby, ON (see attached invoice)
3. Fiberglass body panels were made for me by xxxx in city. (see attached bill of sale)

_________________________
my name
my address
SWORN before me in the Town of ________________________ In the Province of Ontario
this ______ day of ___________, 2011

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread too as I am not yet 100% sure which route I'd be taking. I think I will be going the 'homebuilt' route too.

I really want to get this stuff (and insurance feasibility) sorted out out before I commit to starting on mine...

Thumper, interesting that you got everything done in Whitby, Not far for me to travel then lol. May I ask which mechanic you used to get the safety certificate? I hear that lots of mechanics won't touch our cars with a 100ft bargepole.

Tom...

My car is registered in Ontario (Guelph) as a homebuilt. If you have specific questions, don't hesitate to message me. For now, read up on these threads, if you haven't already:

http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7012
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7499
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7054
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4564
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=1156



Yes. You provide them with the donor ownership, and tell them what parts you took off of that car. Then, they delete that car from existence, because you sacrificed the car to create a new one.

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Maxlessica, I've been meaning to ask you (Maybe it's in a thread, but I forget), who are you using for insurance?

Also need to take you up on the offer of going for a spin sometime. I think it was almost 2 years ago now that I asked lol.

I read your threads a while ago, for some reason I thought you went the "kit" route. I don't know why I thought that.

I think I actually pm'd you about it when I first joined. Then I kinda went on hiatus for a while.

I am insured with the Facility Association ( http://www.facilityassociation.com/ ). Since insurance in mandatory in Ontario, there must be a way to insure any car/ driver combination. The facility association was setup to provide insurance for people who cannot get insurance through traditional means. It is more expensive than classic car insurance, but classic car insurance wont insure me. In addition to that, I have no restrictions on my car. I can drive it to work, I can drive it as many KM as I want, and I can take insurance (liability) off the car when I don't drive it (winter). You don't get that with classic car insurance. The cost is comparable to the cost of insurance on a normal vehicle, of equivalent worth. You have to setup the insurance with an insurance broker, I don't think you can setup the policy with them directly.



I'd be happy to. Send me a PM in a couple of months (I don't have insurance on it at the moment), and I'd be happy to give you a ride.

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"The decision to build a car is not one reached through a rational mindset. It is a decision that is made because we have to do it! It makes no sense, but neither does love, children and taxes" -Sam Buchanan

My Build Log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3054

May I ask what ballpark you are paying per year? (Though I guess it's greatly reduced as it's seasonal). For instance, we are at about $1200 for a 2000 Corolla that is basically worthless. I was led to believe that Facility insurance would be around $3K or more...

These are the numbers for last year:

Driver (me)
5 years driving experience
No accidents/ speeding tickets

The Car
2009
Insured for $11,500

The Policy
5000km/year, without restriction
Insured from May 31 to Oct 17 (about 5 months)
No Collision
Total cost for the year, including service fees for policy changes (which were $256) was $1389. I'm sure this would be much less if I had more driving experience.

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"The decision to build a car is not one reached through a rational mindset. It is a decision that is made because we have to do it! It makes no sense, but neither does love, children and taxes" -Sam Buchanan

My Build Log: http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3054

... I would check the engine emissions carefully before committing to 'HOM' instead of 'KIT'....
Mine was registered 21 years ago as HOM and i'm in the middle of trying to change the type to KIT ....
Mine was built from a complete kit, so an error was made, however, i've been wondering how the builders who fabricate a frame from purchased steel end up registering it....
If it is a HOM, you have to have the vehicle emissions test with Drive Clean done by the year of registration, not the year of the engine.
KIT registered vehicles are exempt from Drive Clean...

Be really careful

here are the guidlines... http://coasterskempclub.com/index.php?m ... eturnid=17

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http://gblandco.com/gb/cent/cent.html

Here are the basics from that link


Kit Cars
Definition: a complete body of a motor vehicle, not including an engine, chassis or drive train. Kit body is a replica of an existing or vintage motor vehicle.

Kit cars are registered in Ontario as:
V.I.N.: Assigned as "ASD" if no 17 -digit V.I.N. on dashboard of kit body
Make: Manufacturer of kit
Model: KIT
Model Year: Year that the kit car was completed and registered with the ministry. If there is not an existing 17-digit V.I.N. on the dashboard, you may request the licence office to provide you with a ministry assigned V.I.N., which you should affix to the dashboard. A V.I.N. is needed before you can obtain a Safety Standards Certificate.

Homemade Vehicle
Constructed without using manufactured main components (e.g. body and chassis / frame both made from scratch), and therefore has no V.I.N.
NOTE: This designation is primarily for homemade trailers, constructed by the owner.

Homemade vehicles are registered in Ontario as:

V.I.N.: assigned "HOM"
MAKE: HOME
MODEL: HOM
MODEL YEAR: Year the homemade vehicle was built and registered with the
ministry.

Kit cars are not homemade vehicles, for registration purposes

Kit car owners should be aware of a problem with the misuse of the "homemade" classification in registering their motor vehicles.

There have been a number of kit cars which have been incorrectly registered in the past as "homemade," and it appears that this is usually because of the owner misusing the term "homebuilt vehicle" on the notarized affidavit filed with MTO.

Please note that there is no such term on vehicle permits as "homebuilt," and the term "homebuilt" should not be used on notarized affidavits filed with MTO, as it does not properly describe the vehicle, or the origin of the major component parts.

Furthermore, if your kit car is incorrectly registered as model "HOM" instead of model "KIT", you will not be eligible for any exemption from the Drive Clean inspection requirement.

The only motor vehicles which should be registered as "homemade" by MTO, are motor vehicles where both the body and the chassis/frame have been completely constructed by the owner from scratch, without the benefit of a kit or a guide for assembly of the parts, or the purchase of a specialty frame or kit body, or a guide to construct the kit body and/or frame.

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gblawson (Gordon)
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On one of the other Ontario threads someone had said to put the steel yard where you bought your steel for the frame as the kit manufacturer if you didn't buy a pre-built frame. This at least gives you something to enter there. Technically they did provide you with the kit, you just had to trim a little here and there...

....I like the way you think....

Make: Meta (l Supermarket)

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