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PostPosted: April 13, 2018, 8:25 pm 
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will a focus 2.0 timing cover fit on a ranger 2.3 engine?

i am trying to fit an electric fan but the ranger timing cover has a great big tit in the middle with a shaft sticking out of it.

i can't just cut it off because it is hollow into the timing cover and would leave a hole.

up to now i was using the viscous clutch fan but as i have been messing with the PCM, i could convert to electric, switched by the PCM, the scalar is their and the relay, all i have to do is plug the original harness into the fan, if i could get the original fan between the radiator and the motor but the 'afor mentioned tit is in the way.

anyone got a duratec timing cover for a focus?

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PostPosted: April 13, 2018, 9:23 pm 
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Here's a measurement for you to check. The distance from the center of the outermost pan to front cover bolt on the intake side, straight up to the seam between the front cover and the valve cover is 17.5" on the duratec 2.0 that I have.


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PostPosted: April 13, 2018, 11:10 pm 
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john hennessy wrote:
the scalar


Now I've been twisting tools a lot of years, you made me look this one up on Wikipedia.
Way above my pay scale to comment on.

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PostPosted: April 14, 2018, 2:11 am 
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I have a 2.3 in my Birkin. My motor is out of a Ranger and had the big bump out. I found a cover for a Focus and it fit perfectly. I think it cost me around $50. As you embark on this project, invest in a couple of “bottom” taps to chase the threads in the block and covers. It really helps when you go to reassemble things. The Locktight works much more effectively. The only other “Ranger/Focus”dimension difference I ran into involved the starter. I am using an Exedy lightened flywheel. It fits the Ranger 2.3 perfectly but it was designed for a Focus and the teeth are spaced a little further from the block. This necessitates using a Focus starter on the Ranger motor. The gear spins back a little further and engages perfectly with the Exedy flywheel.


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PostPosted: April 14, 2018, 3:20 am 
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sorry about "scalar", its a ford EEC term for various different values in the PCM that you can change, the value of injector slopes or switch something on or off dependant upon the vehicle hardware installed on the vehicle like a/c or power steering.

in my case an electric fan, the relay is grounded by pin 45 in the PCM so all i have to do is connect the plug on the fan to the blue wire at the battery junction box and a local ground, everything else is in there already, then set the temp for on and off and enable in the "scalars"

so i can go ahead and get a focus timing cover then.

just got to work out the idler pulleys to run the belt without the fan pulley

that's what i like about this forum, you get a good answer to a difficult question!

thanks guys

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No, the 2.3 block is 3/4" taller than the 2.0. But fwd 2.3 - 2.5 timing covers will work on the Ranger block. There is an oil passage that will have to be blocked.

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PostPosted: April 17, 2018, 12:30 pm 
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Bill,

can you explain what and where the oil passage is and have you done this?

i have a new timing cover for a 2005 focus 2.3 coming with a new pulley bolt and friction washer.

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PostPosted: April 18, 2018, 7:14 am 
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John, I can't help any further. I was operating from memory of what I had read on the Turbo Ranger Forum.
http://www.turborangerforums.com/showthread.php?t=7940
It appears there is another thread which dives more deeply into the swap.
Looking at it this morning, I realize he was putting a Ranger cover on a Fusion block. There was also talk of which cam to use, which changes oiling. As I have never actually faced the problem, I can't get my head wrapped around the issue. There is a distinct possibility there are no oiling issues. All I can do is offer the standard "thoughts and prayers".

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PostPosted: April 18, 2018, 9:24 am 
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Oil passage might be for VVT?

Mr Hennessy, would you share which ECU you are using and what tools you twiddle it's bits with?

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PostPosted: April 18, 2018, 5:12 pm 
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well that might be what the oiling issue is but as i don't have vvt, i would assume that the passage is already blocked but i will look very carefully before i fit the cover.

as far as ECU, well i could write a book on the subject, the short answer is the factory ranger ECU but that won't help you or anyone else for that matter.

first is the PATS issue that all fords suffer from and their ability to completely forget the key codes at will, i say all fords but that is not strictly true, the ford ranger i used for my build is 2003 and like all fords made after 1994 uses a EEC V PCM, previous to then, from about 1984 they used a EEC IV, both of these PCM's have what is known as a J3 port on the back and 106 pin plug on the front in my case, the plug on the front sends and receives information for the engine to run.

about 2001 or 02 ford took the PATS module out of the vehicles, this was switchable to on or off, they then incorporated the PATS into the engine PCM with no way to disable it period, hence forth, if your PATS system forgot the key code you were stranded and only a tow to the dealer was the answer.

it would appear that once your car learns to forget your key code it will remember to do it.

there are various videos on youtube of this phenomina and ways to correct it or sometimes it will self fix but believe me it will remember how to strand you and will do it.

this is where it gets interesting, if you haven't gone to sleep yet,for some reason ford continued the EEC V into 2006 on base model rangers with duratec 2.3 engines, this too had the J3 port and for some reason ford deleted the PATS system in these vehicles.

you might wonder why i am talking so much about PATS, well when they incorporated it in the PCM any attempts to change or tamper with the workings of the PCM may arm the system and diable the car so before you go attempting to tune one you should really disable the PATS or fit a PCM without PATS.

as the hardware of the engine was essentially the same in the 2003 to the 2005/6 and the 106 pin plug is the same, it would be possible to use a 2005/6 PCM plug and play thus dissabling any PATS that would give you problems in the future, i have not tried this as i was not aware of it until recently.

ford PCM's use various types of hardware in the PCM and a thing called a "catch code" which is displayed on the unit, each catch code needs what is called a strategy which is the operating system some strategies can move from one catch code to another, i am simplifying this some what.

many of the ford PCM's have been decoded but there are so many that many still lie out there still to be decoded so the strategies to these catch codes are still a mystery, all though you could if you had a common engine try a strategy that is known to work with that engine or replace the PCM with a unit whose catch code is known to use a common stratergy.

example is 302 V8 in a mustang would likely use a PCM with a A9L catch code for which all sorts of tunes are available.

with the assistance of very clever others have incorporated a strategy into my 2003 PCM based on a 2006 ranger PCM thus disabling the PATS system, and now have a car that will start and run on a "tin" key rather than a chipped key in N/A form and will never ever cause a PATS arming again.

how that strategy was incorporated is at present a top secret, however i will say that if you remove the PCM and install it in another car the PATS will arm itself and the key code in the PCM is the same as the chipped key that i have but it will not disarm as the key is not recognized.but an other key could be coded in to the PCM, likewise any PCM from a 2003 ranger with a 2.3 engine could be installed in my car without the need for a PATS key should i have a failed PCM at any time for one reason or another.

there are no gimmick devices on the engine and no sensors have been modified save the knock sensor as it was picking up the supercharger noise and retarding timing as if it was an engine knock

i have been held up with other things to do on the car but will, i hope, to have a tune in the car within a week or two which will explore the potential of the supercharger within the limits of the pistons and rods now in the engine.

when this is done, i will make this available, note that all the other functions of the PCM remain unchanged which would be of benefit to anyone wishing to do my modifications to a 2.3 duratec ranger even with an automatic transmission, power steering and air conditioning using various tire sizes and final drive ratios and the factory instrument cluster where all the gauges work correctly.

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