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PostPosted: December 3, 2010, 10:08 pm 
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I'm just surprised how much effort is going into a thread in which no one can afford the engine under discussion...

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PostPosted: December 7, 2010, 3:53 pm 
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KB58 wrote:
I'm just surprised how much effort is going into a thread in which no one can afford the engine under discussion...

How much is the engine going for then?

How do you know no one can buy it?


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PostPosted: December 7, 2010, 7:03 pm 
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KB58 wrote:
I'm just surprised how much effort is going into a thread in which no one can afford the engine under discussion...


By the time Kimini was on the road, wasn't the h22 available for for 1/5, 1/4 of the price you paid for it initially?

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PostPosted: December 8, 2010, 2:22 am 
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Click here to read the brief discussion from almost 1 year ago. Notice that there unfortunately appears nothing new since then...Including the compulsive "Debbie Downer".

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From the picture, and I forget the details of our earlier thread on this motor, it looks like the transmission is under the crankshaft...
Actually I believe the engine drives the gearbox off the crank, just like a car engine...As they claim that it was designed specifically to be available for use in automotive style racing applications.

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PostPosted: December 8, 2010, 3:12 am 
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I think the $20,000 number is a number somebody threw out for a SCAT V4 that is Nascar derived or something. I don't remember exactly.

And hell, if the engine+accessories is $20,000 as parts? Come on, the entire bike is probably going to be cheaper than that. :lol: Eventually. If this turns out to be more than vaporware.

My harebrained, number-out-of-the-ass-guess is that it surely is not going to be over twice what a hartley h2 hayabusa costs. :ack:

If this turns out to be an actual product and it really is designed for automotive use as well? It's going to be available to buy(else why design it to hook up to car transmissions?), and I highly doubt it's going to cost more than an actual new LSx v8 longblock.

Fun engine to speculate on though-it's practically a daydream come true, if it becomes available for a reasonable price.

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PostPosted: January 1, 2011, 3:06 am 
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So I emailed them for the hell of it, and to sign up for updates.

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anks for the note, John. No info on pricing or availability on the KMV4 yet, sorry. It is going to be a dynamite little powerplant for a light car, but are just not ready to place the large production order that will allow us to sell the KMV4s as crate engines yet. What do you have in mind? Send pix, man!

Stay tuned for a lot more from Motus over the next 6 months. Attached is a little audio you may enjoy.....

Again, thanks and stay in touch.

Lee Conn


and he sent me a 6000 rpm pass .wav.

So he said 6 months. Let's check back in 9 months to see if it's vaporware? :lol:

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PostPosted: January 23, 2011, 10:38 pm 
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I'm going to go ahead and comment for no reason but my own satisfaction.

I originally saw this posted on Jalopnik. The post linked a few articles. Some of them even discussed the engine being appropriate for IRL. They were talking about the lbs/hp ratio, and basically calling it the greatest thing since cheese.

My answer is thus:
http://www.h1v8.com/H2.html
http://www.h1v8.com/h1h2pricing.html

proven design, off-the-shelf parts, LIGHTER and MORE POWERFUL.

oh, and it doesn't use pushrods.


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The Hartley is a good fit for this thread, and it's available now.

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killer_siller wrote:
oh, and it doesn't use pushrods.


We must assume that new technology automatically = better, right?

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LIGHTER and MORE POWERFUL.
oh, and it doesn't use pushrods.


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We must assume that new technology automatically = better, right?


Exactly, Laminar is right. It's just advertising crap. You can't buy last years stuff because that would mean you could own stuff that would actually last awhile.

Take a look at the other end of the spectrum, a 6 liter airplane engine. My recollection is they weigh just under 300 lbs., for 2000 hours of use at %75 power.

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KB58 wrote:
The Hartley is a good fit for this thread, and it's available now.
...And it alone costs more than the target price for the complete motorcycle that is slated to use the engine being discussed in this thread. :BH:

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Driven5 wrote:
...And it alone costs more than the target price for the complete motorcycle that is slated to use the engine being discussed in this thread. :BH:


Did you follow the link? We're talking about the 4-cylinder U2, not the v8


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Driven5 wrote:
KB58 wrote:
The Hartley is a good fit for this thread, and it's available now.
...And it alone costs more than the target price for the complete motorcycle that is slated to use the engine being discussed in this thread. :BH:

True, but you guys are already discussing an engine that no one can buy, so the V8 looks pretty good when considering that:
1. The V4 only generates 120 ft-lbs and 140 hp, not marketedly better than a Miata.
2. It is much more expensive than a Miata engine.
3. It doesn't have a suitable transmission.
4. And of course, it isn't available.

So yeah, these fantasy engine threads are kind of :BH:

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KB58 wrote:
So yeah, these fantasy engine threads are kind of :BH:
Please, remind us all how unworthy of discussion the Locost gods have deemed such topics again...and again...and again. :roll:

If you don't like threads like this because they're not "Locost enough" for you, that's fine...But maybe for once just try not posting (repeatedly) about how much you dislike it, so as to not detract from the actual relevant technical discussions everybody else interested in the thread is trying to have.

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killer_siller wrote:
Did you follow the link? We're talking about the 4-cylinder U2, not the v8
When I looked at the pricing page, the first thing I saw was pricing for the V8. Even still for an equivalent (read all new components) engine, you'll still need $8500 for the H2 "kit" + 1 factory new Hayabusa engine + assembly labor and tooling...So figure at least $10k, and that's if you have the tools to do it yourself and don't count the cost of your time/labor. Considering that they're using a billet crank case, the Hartley engines are unable to take advantage of volume production the way that the Motus engine should. I don't really foresee that as being cheaper for a complete ready-to-run new engine, although it does produce a little more power.

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