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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:48 pm 
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Bill,

The 3.0 duratec is not the same as the Vulcan. And looking at the Lincoln 4.6, it doesn't look the same as the 3.0. I will measure the top bolts and report back.

The SOHC 2.3 used in rear wheel drive configurations by Ford in the U.S. is not the same bolt pattern as the English Ford 2.0, 2.3.

If someone is looking to mate the Zetec to rear wheel drive, I have to ask why. The Duratec has replaced the Zetec and can be found in the Miata and the Ranger truck. Much better engine in my HO. Unless you already have a free or close to free ZETEC engine.

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Well, I'd pick the Zetec since it looks like the local junk yards have them a plenty and I have transmissions that bolt to the 2.3 SOHC pinto. It would be cheaper just to buy the zetec engine than to buy a duratec and NC miata trans or Q4R bh and T5. (ranger's transmission shifter location is not ideal) Would I prefer a duratec? Yes.

So does the zetec share a bellhousing bolt pattern with an American 2.3 SOHC pinto engine (like the one in my '77 Capri)?


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Copied from the second link I posted:


Lincoln Y-block pattern

* 317 V8
* 341 V8
* 368 V8



Ford Y-block
Ford Y-block engine

The Y-block engine is an overhead valve V8 automobile piston engine from Ford Motor Company. It was introduced in 1954 to replace the Side-valve engined Ford Flathead engine and was replaced by the Ford FE engine and the Ford Windsor engine in 1962, and lasted until 1964 in Ford trucks....
pattern

* 239 V8
* 256 V8
* 272 V8
* 292 V8
* 312 V8



Early MEL
Ford MEL engine

Ford Motor Company developed the MEL engine series for use in their line of Mercury models from 1958 through 1967. The MEL also replaced Lincoln 's unique Lincoln V8 engine....
pattern (1958-1960, Same as FE
Ford FE engine

The Ford FE engine was a Ford Motor Company V8 engine used in vehicles sold in the North American market between 1958 and 1976. A related engine, the Ford FT engine, was used in medium and heavy trucks from 1964 through 1978....
)

* 383 V8
* 410 V8
* 430 V8



Late MEL
Ford MEL engine

Ford Motor Company developed the MEL engine series for use in their line of Mercury models from 1958 through 1967. The MEL also replaced Lincoln 's unique Lincoln V8 engine....
pattern (1961-1968)

* 430 V8
* 462 V8


FE
Ford FE engine

The Ford FE engine was a Ford Motor Company V8 engine used in vehicles sold in the North American market between 1958 and 1976. A related engine, the Ford FT engine, was used in medium and heavy trucks from 1964 through 1978....
Gen 1 and Gen 2 pattern

* 332 V8
* 352 V8
* 360 V8
* 361 V8
* 390 V8
* 391 FT V8
* 410 Mercury V8
* 427 V8
* 428 V8



Early Windsor
Ford Windsor engine

The Windsor engine is a 90-degree small-block V8 from Ford Motor Company. It was introduced in 1962, replacing the old Ford Y-block engine. Though not all of the engines in this family were produced at the Windsor, Ontario engine plant , the name stuck....
V8 pattern

* 221 V8
* 260 V8
* 289 V8 (made before August 3, 1964) - had five bolts holding bellhousing to block



Later Windsor
Ford Windsor engine

The Windsor engine is a 90-degree small-block V8 from Ford Motor Company. It was introduced in 1962, replacing the old Ford Y-block engine. Though not all of the engines in this family were produced at the Windsor, Ontario engine plant , the name stuck....
V8 pattern
Note: this is commonly called the Ford Small-block V8 pattern, though it is used in some "big block"-sized V8's as well as some V6's and I6's.

* 200 I6 1980-1983 only, partial (4 of 6 bolts) pattern.
* 250 I6
* 255 V8
* 289 V8 - (made after August 3, 1964) - had 6 bolts holding bellhousing to block
* 302 V8 including Boss 302
* 302 Cleveland (Australia)
* 351 Cleveland V8 (not the 351 Cleveland M-block engine)
* 351 Boss
* 351 Cobra Jet
* 351 Windsor V8
* 400 Cleveland M-block
Ford 335 engine

The Ford 335 internal combustion engine family were a group of small-block V8 V8 engines built by the Ford Motor Company between 1970 and 1982. The significance of the Numerals '335' designated to this series of Small block Ford V8 engines is relatively unknown....
V8 aka 400FMX (certain 1973 casting numbers D1AE and D3AE, mated to the FMX
Cruise-O-Matic

Ford-O-Matic was the first automatic transmission used by Ford Motor Company, designed by BorgWarner. Introduced in 1950, the 3-speed Ford-O-Matic evolved into the Cruise-O-Matic in 1958 and the FMX in 1968....
transmission)
* 3.8/3.9/4.2L
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Canadian Essex
Ford Essex V6 engine (Canadian)

The Ford Essex V6 engine was a 90? V6 engine family built by Ford Motor Company at the Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Unlike the United Kingdom Ford Essex V6 engine , the Canadian Essex used a 90? V configuration, in addition to having different displacements and valvetrains....
90° V6 (RWD only)
* 240 I6
* 300 I6
Ford Straight-6 engine

Ford Motor Company's first straight-6 engine was introduced in 1906 in the Ford Model K. Production ended in 1907. Henry Ford did not like this car, which had a habit of tearing its transmission up....
* 4.6L Modular
Ford Modular engine

The Modular engine is Ford Motor Company's current high volume overhead camshaft V8 engine and V10 engine gasoline engine family. It gradually replaced the Ford Windsor engine small-block and Ford 385 engine big-block engines over several years in the mid-1990s....
V8 (first two casting runs, numbers F1AE and F2VE)
* 5.0L V8



Ford Lima/385
Ford 385 engine

The Ford 385 engine family was the United States Ford Motor Company's final big block V8 internal combustion engine design, replacing the Ford MEL engine and gradually superseding the Ford FE engine family....
V8 pattern

* 370 V8
* 429 V8
* 460 V8
* 512 V8



335/351M
Ford 335 engine

The Ford 335 internal combustion engine family were a group of small-block V8 V8 engines built by the Ford Motor Company between 1970 and 1982. The significance of the Numerals '335' designated to this series of Small block Ford V8 engines is relatively unknown....
V8 pattern

* 351 Modified M-block V8 (Not to be confused with the 351 Cleveland which uses the small block V8 pattern)
* 400 V8 (except some 1973 castings)
* 370 V8
* 429 V8
* 460 V8
* 512 V8



Taunus pattern

* 1.2/1.3/1.5/1.7L Taunus
Ford Taunus V4 engine

The Taunus V4 was a V4 piston engine with one balance shaft, introduced by Ford Motor Company in Germany in 1962. The German V4 was built in the Cologne plant and powered the Ford Taunus and German versions of the Ford Granada, Ford Capri and Ford Transit....
V4
* 2.6/2.8/2.9/2.9 Cosworth/4.0L Cologne
Ford Cologne V6 engine

The original Ford Cologne V6, also known as the Ford Taunus V6, 640L, was a 60? cast iron block V6 internal combustion engine built by the Ford Motor Company in Cologne, Germany, hence the name....
V6



Falcon Six pattern

* 144 I6
* 170 I6
* 200 I6 (through 1979; 1980-1983 have partial late Windsor pattern)



Early OHV Six pattern

* 215 I6
* 223 I6
* 262 I6



UK Essex pattern

* 2.0L Ford Essex V4
* 2.5/3.0L UK Essex V6



Pinto EAO I4 pattern

* 1.6L/2.0L EAO
Ford Pinto engine

The Ford Pinto engine is the unofficial but generic nickname for a straight-4 internal combustion engine built by the Ford Europe. In Ford sales literature it was referred to as the EAO or OHC engine, it is also sometimes called the "Metric engine" since it was designed using the metric system....
I4



Pinto OHC RWD pattern

* 1.3/1.6/1.8/2.0/2.3/2.5L OHC
Ford Pinto engine

The Ford Pinto engine is the unofficial but generic nickname for a straight-4 internal combustion engine built by the Ford Europe. In Ford sales literature it was referred to as the EAO or OHC engine, it is also sometimes called the "Metric engine" since it was designed using the metric system....
I4 RWD



Vulcan V6 pattern

* 2.3/2.5L HSC
Ford HSC engine

The HSC is an automobile engine from Ford Motor Company sold from 1984 until 1994. It was produced in Lima, Ohio, largely using tooling and designs adapted from the predecessor Ford Straight-6 engine....
FWD I4
* 3.0L Vulcan V6 (FWD and RWD)
* 3.0/3.2L SHO
Ford SHO V6 engine

In 1984, executives of the Yamaha Motor Corporation signed a contract with the Ford Motor Company to develop, produce, and supply a compact 60? DOHC V6 engine for transverse engine application....
V6
* 3.8L
Litér

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Canadian Essex
Ford Essex V6 engine (Canadian)

The Ford Essex V6 engine was a 90? V6 engine family built by Ford Motor Company at the Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Unlike the United Kingdom Ford Essex V6 engine , the Canadian Essex used a 90? V configuration, in addition to having different displacements and valvetrains....
90° V6 (FWD only)



Duratec pattern

* 2.5/3.0/3.5L Duratec
Ford Duratec engine

The Duratec is a range of Straight-4, V6 and V12-cylinder gasoline engines used in Ford Motor Company cars.Originally there was a 2.5 L V6 introduced with the Ford Contour....
V6
* 3.4 DOHC SHO V8
Ford Yamaha V8 engine

Ford Motor Company had worked with Yamaha Motor Corporation to develop the compact DOHC V6 Ford SHO V6 engine for the 1989 Ford Taurus SHO "Super High Output"....



Modular V8
Ford Modular engine

The Modular engine is Ford Motor Company's current high volume overhead camshaft V8 engine and V10 engine gasoline engine family. It gradually replaced the Ford Windsor engine small-block and Ford 385 engine big-block engines over several years in the mid-1990s....
pattern

* 4.6L SOHC/DOHC V8 (later castings, F3VE and up)
* 5.4L "Triton" SOHC/DOHC V8
* 6.8L "Triton" SOHC V10



External links

* Wayback machine archive of site with information on Ford bellhousings
* A discussion thread on differences between Cleveland and 385 blocks
* Ford C4/C5 bell housing information
* An Informative Picture and Text Link to Help Id The Various 1949 to 1953 Flathead V8 Standard Transm..

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:11 pm 
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RossD wrote:
Well, I'd pick the Zetec since it looks like the local junk yards have them a plenty and I have transmissions that bolt to the 2.3 SOHC pinto. It would be cheaper just to buy the zetec engine than to buy a duratec and NC miata trans or Q4R bh and T5. (ranger's transmission shifter location is not ideal) Would I prefer a duratec? Yes.

So does the zetec share a bellhousing bolt pattern with an American 2.3 SOHC pinto engine (like the one in my '77 Capri)?

No. At best, (if I am correct) the upper holes in the block are in a different location and the locating pins are a different diameter. It is possible the swap could be "engineered" by welding a couple of hunks of aluminum onto the bell housing and redrilling the holes as well as making stepped pins. That is contingent upon the Zetec sharing the Vulcan pattern, which has not been confirmed.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:27 pm 
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Off Road SHO: The Zetec isnt on that list but I presume it would be under the Pinto EAO section. I think that is where some of the confusion is coming from. The ambiguity in the pinto name leads to misunderstandings. EAO bolt pattern would describe the cross-flow or xflow, Kent, and Zetec*. (Is this statement correct?)

The 2.3L OHC Pinto has a different bolt pattern from the EAO Pinto. (?) Is this state correct also?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:42 pm 
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ok, after looking at all this again.

All engines in the Escort have the same bellhousing pattern EXCEPT the Zetec.
the Zetec has the same pattern as the 2.0 EAO engine that was used in the Pinto and Capri.
the HSC engine used in the tempo does have the same bellhousing as the Vulcan
even though the HSC used the same transaxles as the escorts, that doesnt mean they all have the same bellhousing pattern. according to this link, they dont. (a good example of this happening again is the MTX75 trans. both the V6 duratec and the Zetec use it, however their bellhousing pattern is different).
that same link also shows the 2.0Pinto, 2.0Zetec, and 2.3Capri as having a different bellhousing pattern than the smaller engines used in the Escorts and the HSC and Vulcan engines.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:29 pm 
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And to add to the discussion, I copied this from that first link. Of particular interest to the OP intent, see the third note at the bottom.


Ever wanted to know which engines shared bellhousing patterns? Want to swap in a new motor and are wondering if it will bolt to your existing transmission? Now you'll know! To the best of my knowledge, this list should be correct, however there may be some errors. These is no substitute for your own research!


FORMAT: 808 x 606, 89K.
Example Measurements
I am now on a great crusade! I am trying to compile a a list of all the Ford engines and their bellhousing patterns. I am looking for pictures of the back of all the engines listed below as well as some measurements! If you have one of these engines and it's just laying around your garage, please take a picture and please do some quick and easy measurements.

You can click on the example on the left for an example. You don't have to do the picture like this. The picture by itself and then writing the measurements in an email would be great! Once I have a few pictures together and more measurement info I will post a seperate page with the pictures and measurements. I hope to get pictures of all the patterns and measurements.

Once this gets going, I will also start working on transmission measurements.

If you have any other additions or information, please email me!

Also note that even though you'll be able to bolt the engine to the transmission of you choice, you'll still have to figure out the flywheel/flexplate/starter/input shaft/torque converter pattern/etc. issues.

221 V8, 260 V8, 5 bolt 289 V8
3.8 RWD/4.2 V6, 255 V8, 6 bolt 289 V8, 302 V8, 351W V8, 351C V8, 240 I6, 300 I6
351M V8, 400 V8, 429 V8, 460 V8
2.3 FWD I4, 2.5 FWD I4, 3.0 Vulcan V6 FWD/RWD, 3.0/3.2 SHO V6, 3.8 FWD V6
FE Series - 352 V8, 360 V8, 390 V8, 391FT V8, 410 Merc V8, 427 V8, 428 V8
1.6 I4, 1.8 I4, 1.9 I4 (Escort, Tracer, OzCapri, Miata)
2.6 V6, 2.8 V6, 4.0 V6
2.0 Pinto I4, 2.0 Zetec I4, 2.3 Capri II
2.3 RWD I4
4.6 SOHC V8 RWD, 4.6 DOHC V8 RWD, 5.4 SOHC V8, 5.4 DOHC V8, 6.8 SOHC V10
2.5 Duratech V6, 3.0 Duratech V6, 3.4 SHO V8, 4.6 DOHC V8 FWD
There are some notible exceptions and other interesting notes.

The 400 V8 was also available in a rare casting in 1973. In some full-size Ford, Mercury & Lincoln products the 400 was cast with the small block bellhousing pattern like the 302. It was mated to a an FMX transmission. These blocks are fairly rare, but it would make it easier to swap into various Capris.


A lot of people assume the 2.0 and 2.3 I4s share bellhousing patterns, and in some cases they do and in other cases they don't. In most cases 4 out of the 6 bolts between the engine and the bellhousing are the same for a 2.0L and a 2.3L, but the top two are different. On the 2.3 they are about an inch higher up on the block. The other possible difference would be the dowel pins on the bottom two bolts being slightly larger in diameter for the 2.3. The one exception is the 76 and 77 Capri. The 2.3 bellhousing in these cars are identical to the 2.0 bellhousings found in previous Capris and Pintos.


If you are planning to swap a 2.0 Zetec into a Capri and want an automatic C4, you can use a bellhousing from 2.0 Pintos and Capris before 1975. You may be able to use a 4 speed bellhousing to adapt a T5 to the engine as well. Remember however, you will have to find the proper flywheel. A 2.3 flywheel/flexplate will work work with the 2.0 Zetec.


3.0 Vulcan V6s were the same in front wheel drive and rear wheel drive applications.


The 3.0 Duratech FWD(Taurus, Sable, Escape) and RWD(Lincoln LS V6) are the same bellhousing pattern.


The Mod motors share bellhousings, but the flexplates/flywheels are different. Cast cranks got 6 bolt flexplates/flywheels while forged cranks got 8 bolt versions. The SHO V8 shares the same crank bolt pattern as the forged cranks in these motors.


The Mod motor bellhousing pattern is fairly close to the small block Ford bellhousing pattern. Early 4.6 blocks in 91 and some 92 models were exactly the same as the 5.0/SBF bellhousing pattern.


The 2.0 Zetec motor DOES NOT match the 2.5/3.0 Duratech & 3.4 SHO V8. The 3.4 SHO V8 and the Duratech V6s are a match.


People have said that the Duratech bellhousings changed in 1999 making them incompatible with earlier engines of the same type. From what I've researching, there was a change to accomodate the MTX75 manual transmission. However, I am not sure what that change was. The SHO V8 '99 block matches the 3.0 V6 Duratech V6 block bellhousing pattern, and all the SHO V8 blocks are the same. Not sure what to think of this. There are a few EXTRA holes in the 3.0 Duratech V6 bellhousing pattern, all the other bolt holes are a match. Perhaps these extra holes are the difference?


The earliest two castings for the 4.6L Mod blocks, used prior to late 11/1/91 in Lincolns and 2-18-92 in full size Fords, share the 302/351 small block bolt pattern exactly. The casting numbers that fall under this category are F1AE and F2VE. The change in bellhousing pattern coincided with the changeover from the AOD transmission to the AOD-E, which resulted in relocating two bolt locations, going to larger, hollow dowels, and changing to a three bolt starter. All subsequent Romeo mod blocks beginning with the F3VE use the AOD-E pattern, and all Windsor mod motors use it.* Thanks to Chuck Sanders for this info!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:38 pm 
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ok, after looking at all this again.

All engines in the Escort have the same bellhousing pattern EXCEPT the Zetec.
the Zetec has the same pattern as the 2.0 EAO engine that was used in the Pinto and Capri.
the HSC engine used in the tempo does have the same bellhousing as the Vulcan
even though the HSC used the same transaxles as the escorts, that doesnt mean they all have the same bellhousing pattern. according to this link, they dont. (a good example of this happening again is the MTX75 trans. both the V6 duratec and the Zetec use it, however their bellhousing pattern is different).
that same link also shows the 2.0Pinto, 2.0Zetec, and 2.3Capri as having a different bellhousing pattern than the smaller engines used in the Escorts and the HSC and Vulcan engines.

Why do you say the Zetec has a different pattern than the other Escorts? The Zetec is little more than an upgraded Escort CVH block with a different head. The guys at this site say all the trannies are pretty much interchangeable (one bolt that goes into the oil pan is different).
http://www.feoa.net/modules.php?name=Fo ... sc&start=0

Your right, using the same transaxle does not mean the bell housings are the same. But when a Ford engineer at the Lima plant tells you an HSC will bolt into an Escort with only minor clearance problems, that means something.

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BBlue wrote:
striker2 wrote:
ok, after looking at all this again.

All engines in the Escort have the same bellhousing pattern EXCEPT the Zetec.
the Zetec has the same pattern as the 2.0 EAO engine that was used in the Pinto and Capri.
the HSC engine used in the tempo does have the same bellhousing as the Vulcan
even though the HSC used the same transaxles as the escorts, that doesnt mean they all have the same bellhousing pattern. according to this link, they dont. (a good example of this happening again is the MTX75 trans. both the V6 duratec and the Zetec use it, however their bellhousing pattern is different).
that same link also shows the 2.0Pinto, 2.0Zetec, and 2.3Capri as having a different bellhousing pattern than the smaller engines used in the Escorts and the HSC and Vulcan engines.

Why do you say the Zetec has a different pattern than the other Escorts? The Zetec is little more than an upgraded Escort CVH block with a different head. The guys at this site say all the trannies are pretty much interchangeable (one bolt that goes into the oil pan is different).
http://www.feoa.net/modules.php?name=Fo ... sc&start=0

Your right, using the same transaxle does not mean the bell housings are the same. But when a Ford engineer at the Lima plant tells you an HSC will bolt into an Escort with only minor clearance problems, that means something.

Bill


nowhere in that link are they talking about the Zetec engine. they are talking about the 2L SPI engine (the same as the CVH). From my understanding, the Zetec was a completely new design, not just a modified CVH engine. The SPI and Zetec engines are completely different and do not share the same bellhousing pattern.

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[/quote]

nowhere in that link are they talking about the Zetec engine. they are talking about the 2L SPI engine (the same as the CVH). From my understanding, the Zetec was a completely new design, not just a modified CVH engine. The SPI and Zetec engines are completely different and do not share the same bellhousing pattern.[/quote]

Your right, they are talking about swapping trannies into a 1.9. However, they include the "Zetec' transmission in the conversation, going so far as to say the Wikipedia info is wrong and the author claims to have the "Zetec" tranny in his Escort.

Check out this site:
http://www.quantums.info/zvh.htm
He has put a CVH head on a Zetec block with not a whole lot of modification.

Data published by Ford shows the Zetec has the same bore spacing and other critical dimensions as the CVH. Ford really did a sales job, convincing us the Zetec was a new design. But I agree, that does not mean they share the same bell pattern.

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BBlue wrote:

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nowhere in that link are they talking about the Zetec engine. they are talking about the 2L SPI engine (the same as the CVH). From my understanding, the Zetec was a completely new design, not just a modified CVH engine. The SPI and Zetec engines are completely different and do not share the same bellhousing pattern.


Your right, they are talking about swapping trannies into a 1.9. However, they include the "Zetec' transmission in the conversation, going so far as to say the Wikipedia info is wrong and the author claims to have the "Zetec" tranny in his Escort.

Check out this site:
http://www.quantums.info/zvh.htm
He has put a CVH head on a Zetec block with not a whole lot of modification.

Data published by Ford shows the Zetec has the same bore spacing and other critical dimensions as the CVH. Ford really did a sales job, convincing us the Zetec was a new design. But I agree, that does not mean they share the same bell pattern.

Bill


if you go to the link thats posted in the thread of the first link you posted you will see the following.

# Ford started using the grm5 style mazda gearbox in 91 year cars.

# grm5 gearbox is used in 2nd gen bp escorts (egt's) it's the model g series.

# the 2nd gen 1.9 cvh (SPI) escorts also use the grm5 mazda gearbox, but with a different bellhousing and different axles. it's the model f series.

# the 3rd gen, both sedan and coupe (zx2) also use the grm5 gearbox, but the model g with different bellhousing than the 2nd gen egt

# the zx3 utilizes made in europe ford built transmissions. One being the iB5 made in britain.. the other being the made in germany mtx75 which is also in the rs mk5/6 scorts w/ both fwd and awd options.. in the focus svt it's a 6speed quaife fwd system. There has been a guy over at teamzx2.com that has modified it to work on his zx2 zetec, but he had to swap over to a zx3 block and oilpan, custom mixmatched axles, adaptation of the cable selector shifter into the rod selector mazda platform, clutch assembly fabrication, and modified mtx75 tranny mounts

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Im going to make this a new post.

i did some research on FocalJet and, at least in the Focus, and with the exception of the oil pan the SPI and the Zetec use the same bellhousing pattern. So now we just need to verify that the SPI and the Vulcan have the same bellhousing pattern.

so much conflicting info running around the web. :BH:

ok, a little more research shows that the CVH used the same transmission as the 2.3HSC. the 2.3 HSC has the same bellhousing as the Vulcan. now assuming that the CVH and the HSC bellhousings were the same that does indicate that the Zetec uses the same bellhousing as the Vulcan.

it seems like the M50D from the Ranger even uses the same 1" x 23 spline input shaft so the Zetec flywheel and clutch setup might even be able to be used.

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Here is a site where a Brit has replaced a CVH (SPI) with a Zetec.
http://www.escortupgrades.co.uk/Escort% ... Index.html

Scroll down to "Engine to Gearbox Mounting Plate". The photo just below that heading shows a CVH mounting plate against a Zetec block. It fits perfectly. Judging from the general location of the mounting holes, I'd say that is the Pinto 2.0 pattern. If you will notice there are two holes in the Zetec block located just above the two top CVH holes. They are in the approximate location of the 2.3 Lima engine top holes. I think perhaps this engine is drilled for both the Pinto 2.0 and Lima 2.3 patterns. I think if a guy had this block, he could bolt a T5 from a 2.3 Mustang right up to it.

striker2, it seems conflicting info is all that is on the 'net. The correct info is there, but you gotta work your butt off to find it and identify it as the truth.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:14 pm 
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Off Road SHO wrote:

A lot of people assume the 2.0 and 2.3 I4s share bellhousing patterns, and in some cases they do and in other cases they don't. In most cases 4 out of the 6 bolts between the engine and the bellhousing are the same for a 2.0L and a 2.3L, but the top two are different. On the 2.3 they are about an inch higher up on the block. The other possible difference would be the dowel pins on the bottom two bolts being slightly larger in diameter for the 2.3. The one exception is the 76 and 77 Capri. The 2.3 bellhousing in these cars are identical to the 2.0 bellhousings found in previous Capris and Pintos.


So based on this information, a zetec should bolt up to the bellhousing in my car since I have a '77 Capri with the 2.3 liter. I'll just have to pull out the engine and check it against the bellhousing from a different 2.3 pinto engine sitting in the garage. The prospect is entertaining. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:22 pm 
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BBlue wrote:
Here is a site where a Brit has replaced a CVH (SPI) with a Zetec.
http://www.escortupgrades.co.uk/Escort% ... itting.htm

Scroll down to "Engine to Gearbox Mounting Plate". The photo just below that heading shows a CVH mounting plate against a Zetec block. It fits perfectly. Judging from the general location of the mounting holes, I'd say that is the Pinto 2.0 pattern. If you will notice there are two holes in the Zetec block located just above the two top CVH holes. They are in the approximate location of the 2.3 Lima engine top holes. I think perhaps this engine is drilled for both the Pinto 2.0 and Lima 2.3 patterns. I think if a guy had this block, he could bolt a T5 from a 2.3 Mustang right up to it.

striker2, it seems conflicting info is all that is on the 'net. The correct info is there, but you gotta work your butt off to find it and identify it as the truth.
Bill



check out my edit.


here is the McSorley page compairing the T5 to the Contour Zetec. it looks like the T5 bolts are inset just slightly and so they dont line up exactly right. its too bad because, it would just prove what i have always believed about the Zetec, and that it seems Ford may have had plans to use it in everything from FWD to RWD, NA to Turbo.
http://mcsorley.net/locost/

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