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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:21 pm 
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Just a list of engine weights, I found. While double checking my memory; looking for a light weight cheap V-8( I was right Buick 350 450lbs W/cast iron intake and a front distributor). There is a sort of legend at the bottom of the chart giving the source (the number in Parenthesis):

From:http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html

Engine Weight FYI
This page was last updated on $Date: 2000/03/06 00:01:09 $

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It isn't really a Frequently Asked Question, so I'll call it an "FYI", For Your Information. This was originally a list I'd compiled long ago on paper, then moved to the computer, then posted on the net as a response to some questions. It wound up being popular, but since I didn't keep track of the origin of the data there was some debate as to how accurate the list was. This new improved list has origins where I could find references; what doesn't have an origin is stuff from my original list.

You'll sometimes see more than one weight listed. Some weights are for just a long block, some are complete and ready to run, and of course everything in between. Some engines varied in weight during their production runs - for example, some later Chevy V8s use thinwall blocks and aluminum heads.

If you have any figures you'd like to contribute, please send them to me at the email address above.

engine Weight References Comments
pounds
Alfasud flat-4 240 (2)

Alfa Romeo SOHC V6 375 (2)

AMC V8 540
(one ref showed 600)
AMC 6 500


Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2)

Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo)
Audi 80 1300 230 (2)

Audi 100 1500 240 (2)

Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6)
BL "B" L4 OHV 335 (2)

BL "E" L6 345 (2) ("complete")
BL "O" L4 OHC 298 (2)

BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2)

BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2)

BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430


BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2)

BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4)

Buick 350 450


Buick 401 685 (1) ('59 Nail Head)
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640)
Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2)

Buick V6 375


Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350


Buick/Rover 215 V8 318
(and Olds)
Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2)

Cadillac V8 390 720 (1) ('59)
Cadillac V8 472-500 625


Cadillac V-16 1,300 (2) (1931)
Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2) (1949)
Chevy Corvair flat 6 300


Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4) "J car" pushrod
Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4) (also Opel)
Chevy Vega L4 285


Chevy II 153 L4 350


Chevy L6 194-250 440


Chevy L6 292



Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2)

Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425


Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2)

Chevy small block V8 575
(generic for '60s-'70s motors)
Chevy small block V8 535 (1) ('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)
Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1)

Chevy big block V8 685
Mark IV
Chevy big block V8

Mark V
Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6) (bare motor)
Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1) ('59 300-E)
Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5) 1955
Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263


DeSoto 383 630 (1) ('59)
DeSoto V8 675 (5) (276-341 CID, '50s)
Dodge V8 645 (5) (241-325 CID, '50s)
Dodge 361 625 (1) ('59)
Edsel 361 680 (1) ('59)
Ferrari 312T 397 (2) (V12 3.0L racing engine)
Ferrari "250" V12 382 (2)

FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2) (model 206)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2) (model 246)
Ford Kent 1600



Ford Escort OHC 1600



Ford 1.3-2.0 OHC



Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2) (also 2.0, 2.5)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2) (turbo)
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2) (and SAAB V4)
Ford England Essex V4 327


Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305


Ford England Essex V6 379 (2) (3 liter)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4) (w/start, alt, less clutch)
Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)
Ford 240-300 L6



Ford flathead V8 525


Ford flathead V8 569 (1) ('53 239 CID)
Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2) (racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L)
Ford SOHC modular V8



Ford DOHC modular V8



Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4)

Ford 289/302 V8 460
(late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford BOSS 302 500


Ford 351 Cleveland 550
(includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)
Ford 351 Windsor 510


Ford Y block V8 625
(272-312 CID)
Ford FE big block 650
(332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 (1) ('59 352 CID)
Ford 429/460 V8 640


Ford BOSS 429 680
(iron block, aluminum heads)
Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4)

Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4)

Jaguar old design 6



Jaguar new design 6



Jaguar V12 680


Lincoln 430 740 (1) ('59) (also Mercury 430)
Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3) (inc. alt. & starter, no clutch)
Marmon V-16 931 (2) (1931)
Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)

Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)

Mopar Slant Six 475


Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525


Mopar 360 "A" 550


Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5)

Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5)

Mopar Street Hemi 765
(690 bare)
Nissan 240-300Z 6



Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4) belt cam
Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4) RWD chain cam
Olds 215 V8 318
(same as Buick/Rover)
Olds 260 V8



Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 (2) first Olds V8, 1949
Olds straight-8 614 (2) '40s motor
Olds 330 J2 700
(first generation V8)
Olds 330-400 560 (5) low deck, w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 350-403 V8

'86-up lightweight design
Olds 394 725 (1) ('59)
Olds 371, 394 760 (5)
Olds 400-455 620 (5) high deck w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 262 V6 Diesel 590 (4) (from GM SAE paper)
Olds 260 Diesel



Olds 350 Diesel



Opel 2.8-3.0 CIH L6 395 (2)

Peugeot 204 Diesel 272


Peugeot Douvrin 2.0 4 263 (2)

Peugeot 104 1400 260 (2) includes transaxle
Pierce-Arrow V-12 1,130 (2) (1932)
Plymouth 361 640 (1) ('59)
Pontiac L4 350
Iron Duke, Tech IV
Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470


Pontiac SOHC 6 450


Pontiac 389 V8 650


Pontiac 389 V8 590 (1) ('59)
Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 574


Porsche 901 6 401 (2) (1963)
Rambler 327 V8 600


Rambler 327 V8 670 (1) ('59)
Rover 3500 V8 318
(same as Buick)
Rover 3.0 SOHC L6 432 (2)

Renault 2.0 4 Douvrin 263 (2)

Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo)
Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6)
SAAB V4-60 206 (2) (also Taunus, Ford)
SAAB slant-4 290 (2) (also Triumph)
Studebaker 289 650


Triumph 2, 2.2 L4

[TR2-4]
Triumph slant-4 290 (2) (also SAAB 99) [TR7]
Triumph 2, 2.5 L6 403 (2) [TR6, GT6]
Triumph Spitfire/Herald



Triumph Stag V8 446


VW flat-4 air cooled 200


VW flat-4 water cooled



VW inline 4

Rabbit/Golf

References:
Handbook of Engine Swapping, John Thawley, 1960
Complete Handbook of Automotive Power Trains, Jan Norbye, 1981
Passenger Car Engines, papers, IMechE, 1975
New Light Duty Engines, SAE 510, 1982
Hot Rod Engines, Hot Rod, 1967
Aspects of Internal Combustion Engine Design, SAE 582, 1982

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:11 pm 
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Posted by Greg55_99 on an Off road forum. Shamelessly ripped and reposted here. Thanks Greg! I would have just supplied a link and called it a day but this seemed like really good info. Too good to risk losing to the gods of the internet, not to mention I didn't want to step all over their bandwidth, so here they are.

The posts appear in reverse order because I wasn't smart enough to load them in reverse order. (Makes sense eh?)


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File comment: Front bearing covers are interchangeable between the Toyota R series, AX15, MA5, and AR5. NV3550, AX5 and W series are not interchangeable. The 92 and earlier Jeep AX15 front cover is aluminum and takes a hydraulic throwout bearing. The 93 and later AX15 uses an external slave and clutch arm. It's cast iron. The Toyota front cover has a shorter nose of a smaller diameter and is also cast iron.

So... there's no shortage of parts for these gearboxes. Any good shop can rebuild them and they are still not that expensive.

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File comment: Example of a LONG SHAFT transmission hooked up to a SHORT BELL with a Dellow Automotive spacer

The Jeep AX5's 7.5" input shaft does not allow it to be used with the Toyota G and W series bellhousings unless a spacer is fabricated OR the input shaft is swapped between them. (Apparently the short 6.5" G and W series Toyota input shaft can be made to work in an AX5 case and vice versa). The one exception is shown below.

The Jeep NV1500 has the longest input shaft of the group at 8.6".

Trans First Second Third Fourth Fifth

AX15 - 3.83 2.33 1.44 1.00 0.79
AR5 - 3.753 2.26 1.37 1.00 0.729
MA5 - 3.753 2.26 1.37 1.00 0.729
R150 - 3.83 2.062 1.436 1.00 0.838
R151 - 4.31 3.32 1.52 1.00 0.83
R154 - 3.25 1.95 1.30 1.00 0.75
NV1500- 3.85 2.25 1.48 1.00 0.80
NV3550 - 4.01 2.32 1.40 1.00 0.78

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File comment: NOTE: Input shafts lengths vary.

Pre 1995 R150\R151 = 6.5"
1996 up Toyota R series = 7.5"
AX15 = 7.875"
87-92 Turbo Supra R154 = 7.25"
AR5 = 8.2"
MA5 = 7.5"
NV3550 = 7.875"
NV1500 = 8.6"
AX5 = 7.5"
Toyota W series = 6.5"
Toyota G series = 6.5"


Advance Adapters makes an extra long pilot bearing when using a slightly shorter input shaft tranny with a bellhousing that had a longer one. Obviously you can't put the longer input shaft trans into a Toyota bell that had a shorter one. Unless a spacer is used or the input shaft is swapped.


The transmissons and bellhousings can be split up into two categories. SHORT SHAFT\SHORT BELL and LONG SHAFT\LONG BELL. They cannot be easily mixed without modifications.

All AX15's, AR5's, MA5's, NV3550's, R154's and Toyota R150's (built after 1996) are LONG SHAFT\LONG BELL. To use one of these in a SHORT SHAFT\SHORT BELL application requires a 1" spacer available from Dellow Automotive or Castlemaine Rod Shop in Australia. Of course, any bellhousing combo one can think of is also available from them...

www.dellowauto.com.au/catalogue/DellowAutomotive.pdf

www.rodshop.com.au/

ALL Toyota R150's and R151's built before 1996 are SHORT SHAFT\SHORT BELL. These CANNOT be used in a LONG SHAFT\LONG BELL application or with LONG SHAFT\LONG BELL adapter plates.

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File comment: Jeep AX5, Toyota G52, G58, W55, W56, W57 and W58 5-speeds all share a common face pattern on the case (Small pattern). As such, any 88-99 Jeep 2.5L bellhousing (NOT Dakota) will bolt a Toyota W series transmission to a 60 degree GM bolt pattern.

All of the small pattern transmissions. Factory: 1981-86 1L, 2L and 2L-T Turbo Diesel truck bellhousing connects to W and G series transmissions.

Aftermarket:

Advance Adapters: Bellhousing to bolt a W and G series Toyota trans to a Chevy-Buick-Olds-Pontiac block.

Northwest Off Road: Bellhousing to bolt W and G series to Ford 5.0. www.northwestoffroad.com

Suzuki Only Supply: Adapter plate to bolt W and G series to Suzuki 1.3\1.6. www.rock4xfabrication.com/ringr.htm

Acme Adapters: Adapter plate and flywheel to bolt VW 1.6, 1.9 Diesel to W and G series transmisson. www.acmeadapters.com

Japanese Auto Repair: Adapter plate to bolt Toyota W and G series transmissions to a Mitsubishi DOHC 4G63 bellhousing. www.japaneseauto.com

OTT Industries: Adapter plate to bolt an SM420 5-speed to any Toyota W and G series bellhousing. Can also be used for a GM pattern T5 and Tremec TKO. www.ottindustries.com/

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File comment: #1. Novak Enterprises: Adapter plate for AX15 to GM 4-speed bellhousing. Connects all except NV3550 to same.

#2. 94-95 Dakota 2.5L bellhousing: Connects all to any K car based 2.2L-2.5L L4 in a RWD application.

#3. 96-00 Dakota 2.5L bellhousing: Connects all to any Jeep 2.5L L4. Because of it's GM 60 degree V6 inherited bolt pattern, also works with any Buick FWD V6 and supercharged V6, any Chevrolet 2.8/3.1/3.4 V6, any Cadillac 4.1/4.5/4.9 V8 and with a minor modification, any Olds Aurora DOHC V8 and Cadillac DOHC Northstar V8. Also bolts to any Isuzu 3.2\3.5 DOHC V6.

#4. 88-99 Jeep 4.0L L6 bellhousing: Connects all to any AMC 290/304/343/360/390/401 V8 and any 72 and later 232 L6 and 258 L6.

#5. 94-99 Dakota 3.9L V6 Bellhousing: Connects all to any 3.9L V6 and any 273/318/340/360 V8, Magnum 5.2\5.9 V8, 5.7L Hemi V8 and Jeep 2.8L CRD Turbo Diesel.

#6. 96-04 Toyota Tacoma 3.4L V6. Also works with Toyota 3.0L V6

#7. 86.5-92 Toyota Supra Turbo 7M-GTE. Also works with Toyota 5M-GE.

Also Not shown:

01-04 Jeep Liberty 3.7L V6 bellhousing: Connects all to any 3.7L V6 and 4.7L V8.

03-04 Jeep Liberty\TJ 2.4L bellhousing: Connects NV1500 to 2.4L SOHC\DOHC Neon\SRT-4\PT Cruiser L4 (See info at #11)

Isuzu Trooper 3.5 V6 AR5 bellhousing: Connects all to any Isuzu 3.2\3.5 V6

04-05 Chevy Colorado\ GMC Canyon MA5 bellhousing: Connects all to any Vortec 2800 L4, 3500 L5 and 4200 L6

06 Pontiac Solstice\ Saturn Sky MA5 bellhousing: Connects all to any Ecotec 2.4L

88-95 Toyota Landcruiser: 1L, 2L and 2L-T Turbo Diesel truck bellhousing connects to R series transmissions.
Aftermarket:

Advance Adapters: Bellhousing for AX15 to Chevrolet-Buick-Olds-Pontiac V8 and Buick V6. Connects all except NV3550 and Pre 1996 R150 and R151 to same. www.advanceadapters.com

Advance Adapters: Bellhousing for Pre 1996 R150 and R151 to Chevrolet-Buick-Olds-Pontiac V8 and Buick V6. www.advanceadapters.com

Advance Adapters: Bellhousing for NV3550 to Chevrolet-Buick-Olds-Pontiac V8 and Buick V6.

Advance Adapters: Adapter plate for AX15 to Ford bellhousing. Connects all except NV3550 to same.

Advance Adapters: Adapter plate for NV3550 to Ford bellhousing.

Swift Machine: Adapter plate for NV3550 to GM 4-speed bellhousing. www.swiftmachine.com

Suzuki Only Supply: Adapter plate to bolt R series to Suzuki 1.3\1.6. www.rock4xfabrication.com/ringr.htm

AR Engineering: Adapter plate to bolt Mopar Small Block V8 bellhousing to a Mopar 225 Slant Six. Can be used in conjunction with a Dakota V6 bell to bolt all of the long shaft tranismissions to the Slant Six. www.arengineering.com/

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File comment: The Jeep/Dodge AX15 5-speed, the Jeep NV3550 5-speed, the Jeep NV1500, the Toyota R150F & R151F, the 87-92 Toyota Supra Turbo R154, the Isuzu AR5 and the Pontiac Solstice\Saturn Sky\Chevy Colorado\ GMC Canyon MA5 5-speeds all share the same case to bellhousing bolt pattern (Large Pattern). As such there are a number of possibilities that can be had when a 5-speed is desired:

All of the large pattern transmissions.

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IndyJoe wrote:
I was VERY interested in the Saturn Engine too. My daily driver is a '96 Saturn with 263,000 miles on it. It's the DOHC engine, and makes great power and if you keep oil in it, it seems to be indestructible. Plus it's aluminum head and block = light weight. I seached High and Low for a bolt up solution to get power to the rear wheels.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Sky ???

Has anyone yet mentioned the Toyota Previa engines? 2.4 in N/A and supercharged form and unusual that they are 75 degree slant engines that would give a Locost a super low GC - maybe too wide though? Also in AWD.

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Honda k20 / 24 on w55-59 transmission.

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Cool,whats the height like on that thing? ..also I see in the background you have more 7"s on the go .I see alot of that type of stuff on trade me,id like to convert my lexus sc400,toyota soarer to manual one day and it looks like nz has all the right bits to do it.
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For someone considering the use of the entire subframe, that appears to be much more performance handling oriented than the tbird irs, judging from the control arm design. What ratios are available? Production years? Diffs? What does the front suspension look like?


From their website "The front suspension is manufactured by HEIDT's Hot Rod & Muscle Car Parts www.heidts.com/index.cfm out of Illinois. "

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The all aluminum Saturn engine referred to above is the 124 hp 1.9 from the s cars before they started using mainstream gm components... the something or other ultralight started out using those engines with an early rx7 5 speed... then they switched to Honda power... and considering the similarities between the rx7 trans and Miata trans, there's no reason in my mind a Miata trans wouldn't work... to my knowledge, the 1.9 did not share the corporate bell housing patterns of other gm vehicles...


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Ok guys, how about the Vega, cosworth or gt...?


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krepus wrote:
The all aluminum Saturn engine referred to above is the 124 hp 1.9 from the s cars before they started using mainstream gm components... the something or other ultralight started out using those engines with an early rx7 5 speed... then they switched to Honda power... and considering the similarities between the rx7 trans and Miata trans, there's no reason in my mind a Miata trans wouldn't work... to my knowledge, the 1.9 did not share the corporate bell housing patterns of other gm vehicles...



The Miata has an integrated bellhousing and the Rx7 has a removable one.

The cosworth vega would be cool if you could keep a computer in it or switch to mega squirt.


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I guess mating up a Miata trans would be a bit difficult... Lol

Those cosworth Vegas seem to be a bit overpriced... There's not really much of a collector market for them... I found a couple locally on craigslist...


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There is a collector for everything lol I would take a cosworth vega any day if the price was right. The computer is giant though much bigger than a large shoe box.


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Both are listed for appx $3000, I don't think the turbo one is running yet...


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Wasn't the Vega GM's first attempt and teflon coated cylinder walls? And their first failure at it?

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Wasn't the Vega GM's first attempt and teflon coated cylinder walls? And their first failure at it?

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