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PostPosted: August 17, 2006, 7:23 am 
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Does anybody know how many gallons a book gas tank is? I want a little space in the back for a tooth brush in the boot :D !

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The plans in the book are merely a guide - build (or buy) whatever size suits you. Usually there is some space left over on top of the tank.


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I think I remember seeing an ad in the back of GRM or Sportscar that was for a company that sold fuel cells. (ATL maybe?) They had a picture of one for a locost as their example for their "custom designs." So it appears as though you can have them pretty much made to measurement. I'll look it up when I get home and get contact info.

Here's a link to ATL's online catalog in .pdf look there to see if you can find one that suits your needs.

http://www.atlinc.com/US/catalogs.html

Out of curiousity I looked at Stock Car Products site and found a cell that is relatively cheap and pretty close to Locost size. It's one of their "JAZ" foam filled polyethylene units.

JAZ20001001 10 gal. length 25" width 9" height12" $156.50

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PostPosted: August 17, 2006, 12:28 pm 
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I did the math a couple years ago, and I believe that the book tank was between 7 -1/4 to 7 -1/2 gallons.

You need to allow at least an additional inch of clearance above the tank, for the sending unit, and pump connections. I used banjo fittings to keep as low a profile as possible so I would have room for a large size tooth bush.
If you use right angle AN fittings you'll have to have increase that clearance.

I would also suggest that you design your trunk with access panels or make the rear half removable.
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The meassurements are close. L x W x H--(28 x 8 x 9.5 ), and a couple guys will make custom shapes usually under 100 before shipping.

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Triumph Spitfire tank fits too. 9.9 gallons / 37.6 liters

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Unfortunately the fuel tank in a Seven seems to be the "deformable structure" in an rear-end accident (depending on the on-coming bumper height). For that reason it's really important to use a safe fuel tank design. "Safe" means a real fuelcell, with a rubber bladder and foam. The rubber keeps it from leaking, and if it rips open, the foam keeps the fuel from spraying into the air in an explosive mix.

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Found what I was looking for: The company is called "Fuel Safe."

Look at the bottom of page 3 in this Pdf. http://fuelsafe.com/pdf/Custom.pdf

They make two different size fuel cells for the Lotus 7, 5 gal, and 7 gal. Tig welded aluminum with foam core and rubber bladder. This is probably as safe, sturdy, attactive, and expensive fuel cell you can put into your build. I called for a price quote just for kicks and nearly crapped my pants when I heard what this cell costs:









Are you sitting down?





















$1,262.00 :shock:

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PostPosted: August 18, 2006, 8:31 pm 
:shock: :shock: :shock: I almost crapped your pants as well!! :shock: :shock: I made mine out of 5052 aluminum over form blocks,then solid riveted it together wet with aircraft tank sealant (proseal). It cost me $30 to make. If I could figure out how to post pix I put one of it on here. :cry:

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Foam sounds like a good idea :?


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chetcpo wrote:
Found what I was looking for: The company is called "Fuel Safe."


I used their 10" x 10" x 20" 10gallon in-stock unit. Around $750. At least I worry less about burning to death.

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thekafer wrote:
:shock: :shock: :shock: I almost crapped your pants as well!! :shock: :shock: I made mine out of 5052 aluminum over form blocks,then solid riveted it together wet with aircraft tank sealant (proseal). It cost me $30 to make.


Can you get the foam out? The stuff has a lifespan of only a few years...

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PostPosted: August 19, 2006, 5:36 pm 
In fact the foam is such a good idea that I prabably did'nt have to put the baffles in my tank. I could probably still get the foam thru the holes on top tho :wink:


Thank for the pix help KENLUDE97!!! Fletch :D [img][img]http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/thkafer/rivetedtank.jpg[/img][/img]


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PostPosted: August 19, 2006, 6:29 pm 
What about these? He will make custom shape and an aluminum or steel shell could be made. Not quite as good as a bladder tank but near and with the spare and other sheet and tube should fare well. http://stores.ebay.com/Competition-Race-Accessories


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In fact the foam is such a good idea that I prabably did'nt have to put the baffles in my tank. I could probably still get the foam thru the holes on top tho :wink:


The foam does NOT stop sloshing, all it does is prevent atomization of the fuel in an accident. You still need baffles.

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PostPosted: August 26, 2006, 6:31 pm 
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The foam does NOT stop sloshing, all it does is prevent atomization of the fuel in an accident. You still need baffles.


How do you know this to be true (the sloshing, not the atomization)? I think the foam resists slosh. Baffles too--the type Ronny described in his book--resists slosh; they don't stop it.

In my opinion, the foam resists slosh nicely. Maybe its because my tank is stuffed full. I once took quite a few very hard 180 degree turns--the kind which excedes the tires mechnical grip. The car did fine. Then, 1/2 mile away the car died while driving at cruising speed and going straight. The cause: out of fuel. When I was turning sharply, I turned in both directions, so the fuel pickup should have been exposed a few times during the turning sequence.

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