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PostPosted: March 28, 2009, 7:12 am 
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I checked out Bruce Weiner's Microcar Museum this week. I took photos of the good and the bad.

All of these cars are under 1,000 lbs.


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Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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http://www.vsusp.com
ford IFS cheap viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13225&p=134742
Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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ford IFS cheap viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13225&p=134742
Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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ford IFS cheap viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13225&p=134742
Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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This place is in Madison, GA. They claim to be the largest microcar museum in the world.

The engineering of the blue 2f1r is particularly good. There are better details on it here:
http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/juri ... oplan.html
http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tourindex.html


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Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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wow. I am always inspired by seeing micro cars. They are just so simple. I liked what some of them have done for securing their convertible tops. Thats for sharing!

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ooh, a Peel P50, I loved that episode of Top Gear.


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thanks for shareing very helpful


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PostPosted: March 29, 2009, 8:20 am 
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Thanks.

This info is the sort of thing that gets lost over the years. We're used to proprietary castings for everything.

Those with hooks at the windshield probably are unsnapped at the rear, then the windshield frame is hooked, followed by pulling it tight at the rear.

Some have a hook on one side of the windscreen and a hole on the other side instead of 2 hooks.

Also, the top bows have belts between them so they end up in the right position even if the bow does not attach to the top. However, leaving the top bows unattached to the top causes the top to balloon off of the bows if there is much airflow into the car.

The red bubble top appears to have basically a sliding sunroof that encorporates the rear window; it just slides back and wads up.

For highway practicality, one of these built with a wider track, longer wheelbase, tandem seating, and a geo metro 50 hp 1L 3 cyl and transaxle would work well. It could be 3 wheeled or a narrow rear track 4 wheel version. I'd be suprised if it were not capable of 100 mph and 70 mpg at a reasonable speed with larger OD but narrow wheels and tires to drop the rpm. A small agricultural diesel with around 20 hp could be adapted the way Jack adapted his to the toyota trans. The issue with the transaxle is the cost of regearing to match the engines torque peak at cruise.

Clarkson in the Blue Peel 50 is a favorite of mine aswell. A fellow made one from scratch using enlarged photos on the microcar site, complete with about 100 photos and a test drive video. Not how I'd build it but it is a replica.

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Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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Awesome, MiataV8! Thanks for shooting and sharing. I'm definitely taking notes and may well employ some of those ideas.

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PostPosted: May 26, 2009, 8:37 am 
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Your welcome!

Here is an interesting sevenish car from the DIY Tune tent at the Mitty.


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http://www.vsusp.com
ford IFS cheap viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13225&p=134742
Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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Some more from the Mitty.


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ford IFS cheap viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13225&p=134742
Frame L x cockpit W x eng bay HT (w/o hood/bonnet/cowl)
Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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A few more.


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Lotus Super Seven: 115 (no spare) x39x7.25
Tiger Avon: 114x40x13.3-12.6
Champion (Book): 114x42x11
Gibbs Haynes: 122x42x14
Voo Doo: 113x44x14
McSorley “442”122x46x14
Collins “241” 127x46x12


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I think I'll take one of those two-piece windshields; can you wrap it for me?

Creating a nice fit & seal from end-of-windshield to front-of-side-window looks to be the most difficult task. I always try to simplify and this one has me sort of flummoxed.

I am working on fitting a piece of window glass inside a thin flat door (maybe 3/4" inside thickness). Since the door is mounted straight up and down, a flat glass would go pretty much straight up; not slope inward to join the windshield & roof. Too boxy if it were made to do so. How about curved glass then? I like the idea - Detroit finally did it in the 50s - but then I have to find somebody else's side window that fits my design. I don't think the local glass shop can bend-to-order. I be working on the geometry now to come up with a good radius.


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I love those little cars. I wish I had a special ray-gun that would shrink the entire US automotive fleet by 50%.

So would you say that the museum is worth taking a weekday off for? I've been meaning to go there with my little one. She's a half-pint like all those cars, and just learned to go "vroom! vroom!". I think she'd get a kick out of it.

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