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So, where were we? Oh yeah, rebuilding the engine, new exhaust, etc, etc...

Been doing stuff, just now finally got off my arse to post something. The new motor is in, I cranked it up and it ran... For about 45 seconds. Then it shut down. I re-started it, ran for about 45 seconds. Rinse and repeat. While it was running, it didn't knock, blow up or toss giblets across the room. It did run rich as hell, stink up the garage and cause me to go outside to breathe. Not oil smoke, just raw gas... :ack:

I pulled error codes with my handy-dandy Autozone (The Harbor Freight of autoparts!) scanner and got all the same ones I got BEFORE I rebuilt the engine... Weird... James (Earl to the Team Slotus Faithful) suggested I try disconnecting one sensor at a time and re-starting it to see what happened. I did that, and mostly noted "No change". Pulled the plug on the TPS, nope. Pulled the plug on the IAC, nope. Intake Air Sensor, nope. Finally got back to the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor. Pulled the wire off it. Cranked it up, and it idled. Still waaa-aay to rich but it kept running. Thinking I had found something, I bought and installed a new MAP. Cranked right up, ran 45 seconds, shut down. WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!? :BH:

I started to wonder if the problem was the CPU, or as Ford calls it, the PCM. Rob, another Ford-racer buddy of mine, had suggested that to me earlier, that the old Speed/Density PCM wasn't able to cope with the increased intake volume of the stroker. I also remember getting those error codes and thinking the idle mix was too rich even way back when. Seems like we struggled to get the idle right from day one... Hmmm.... Maybe that PCM wasn't working right all along, just running on "Limp Home" mode???? :shock:

Sooooo.... I'm now in the process of converting from the old (1992) PCM with speed density and MAP to a "New-Old-Stock" Ford PCM for a Mustang GT with Mass Airflow type design that James/Earl was able to procure for me at a nice discount price. I don't know if me and Bubba can do this kind of eleck-tronick wizardry, but we're gonna have a go at it. If you see a blue-ish glow on the southern horizon one night, you'll know the answer was "No, they can't do that kind of wizardry." Send donations to TWWTFM... :rofl:

OK, gonna go for more coffee now... Stay tuned...

Peace, Love and "Limpin' Home"-
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And another thing...

One feature of the Slotus that I wasn't totally pleased with was the exhaust. Pipe from driver's side ran under the sump and out the passenger side. It was kinda cobbled up, leaky, and not pretty as well as loud. (OK, I liked the loud part, but it might not pass the dB limits at some tracks.)

So, whilst I'm doing this here rebuild, I decided to re-do the exhaust as well. Once again, Earl comes to my rescue with some "take off" mufflers/tail pipes from his job. I think I posted stuff about 'em already. Mooflers for the Slotus!!!

I got one side figured out and cut and fit... Pictures! (For Perry...)
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The frond end...
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The middle part...
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And the Mooflers!

I later tacked them together with my l'il welder, but I ain't showing the pictures because Briggs might injure himself laughing.

Hey, TWWTFM just reminded me that I gotta be somewher in 30 minutes, so I'm gonna have to stop now... I'll be back later...

Peace, Love and MOOFLERS!
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You and I are probably at the same level with the error code diagnostics, JD. Our Explorer recently had an error code related to the EVAP system. In doing my research on it using the Explorer Forums, I found out from people who DO know how it all works, that what you see with the simple, cheap handheld equipment is the LAST error code registered, and not necessarily the one causing your current issue. That is, the real failure can occur early on and cause other error codes during the startup process as various systems depending on the failing sensor, part or system subsequently fail their own self tests. Said more clearly, the last error code you see (on the simple handheld decoder) my not be directly indicative of what's actually failing. The real failure may have occurred earlier and its error code has been overwritten.

Maybe James can get you to some more sophisticated equipment that keeps a record of all the error codes from startup? There apparently are such critters out there.

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JD, are you reprograming the engine 'puter?

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BBlue wrote:JD, are you reprograming the engine 'puter?
Hi Bill! No, I'm replacin' the SOB!!! From what I'm told, the original speed density computer is not very "tunable" nor does it have the range or adjustment on-the-fly abilities of the mass air flow type system. So, out with the old one (which I suspect wasn't working 100% anyhow) and in with a new-old-stock Ford Racing mass-air system.

At least that's what I think I'm doing... I'll get back to you on that...
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Lonnie-S wrote:Said more clearly, the last error code you see (on the simple handheld decoder) my not be directly indicative of what's actually failing. The real failure may have occurred earlier and its error code has been overwritten.
Hey Lonnie! How's the left side of the continent doing today? You're right, there are "holdover" codes and "what's happening now" codes. Problem is, with the Slotus, I have occasionally disconnected the battery for one thing or another which more'n likely erased the older memory. (Sometimes I wish I could do that with my brain... But I digress...) Any way...

At this point I have a new intake system with TPS and IAC. A new coolant temp sensor, a new MAP sensor (which is going to be an ambient air pressure sensor with the new system) a new MAF sensor and a new computer... I'm hoping I got it covered... Maybe... Stay tuned!

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Hahaha. I cringed a little looking the piping... kidding.... this is locost after all. Hey, I offered to come down to weld it up for you. :roll:

Hope all is well and you get the engine running correctly.
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Briggs wrote:Hahaha. I cringed a little looking the piping... kidding.... this is locost after all. Hey, I offered to come down to weld it up for you. :roll:
Yo, Briggs! Yes, you did make the offer... But it would kinda be like asking Michelangelo to paint the barn. We'll get you down this way one day soon, but no work is gonna be involved. General foolishness and adult beverages, yes, but no work! :mrgreen:

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Briggs wrote:Hahaha. I cringed a little looking the piping... kidding.... this is locost after all. Hey, I offered to come down to weld it up for you. :roll:

Hope all is well and you get the engine running correctly.



That exhaust could've come from the Too Busy Garage. I think JD and I have a lot in common.
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TooBusy wrote:That exhaust could've come from the Too Busy Garage. I think JD and I have a lot in common.
Ya know, I do see some similarities. However, I still feel like I can lay claim to the title... "World's Lousiest Welder!"

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GonzoRacer wrote:
TooBusy wrote:That exhaust could've come from the Too Busy Garage. I think JD and I have a lot in common.
Ya know, I do see some similarities. However, I still feel like I can lay claim to the title... "World's Lousiest Welder!"

:cheers:
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More like "World's Lousiest Metal Sticker Together-er" But I thought that was Bubba's claim to fame. :mrgreen:
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GonzoRacer wrote:
Briggs wrote:Hahaha. I cringed a little looking the piping... kidding.... this is locost after all. Hey, I offered to come down to weld it up for you. :roll:
Yo, Briggs! Yes, you did make the offer... But it would kinda be like asking Michelangelo to paint the barn. We'll get you down this way one day soon, but no work is gonna be involved. General foolishness and adult beverages, yes, but no work! :mrgreen:

:cheers:
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Ask Botbasher and Mnot. I'm always welding, it's my job as well as my business. If I didn't enjoy it so much I wouldn't have offered. Welding in the garage and beer go hand in hand. Beer gives the welder a more steady hand. Plus it's a good felling knowing my work is around the states. Most Locost's I can weld on the better.
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rx7locost wrote:More like "World's Lousiest Metal Sticker Together-er" But I thought that was Bubba's claim to fame. :mrgreen:
Geeze ya make one or two (or seventeen... or sixty-eight...) lousy looking welds and all of a sudden everybody's a critic! :rofl:

I'm not sure Bubba has a "claim to fame" other than eating ribs like he was three people. Don't get your hands near his mouth at meal time! :mrgreen: We try not to let him get hold of machinery or the welder. I figure he could bring down the house - LITERALLY - with a cutoff wheel on a grinder. :roll:

Good to hear from you, Chuck! Even if you were trashing my tack welds... :mrgreen:

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Briggs wrote:Ask Botbasher and Mnot. I'm always welding, it's my job as well as my business. If I didn't enjoy it so much I wouldn't have offered. Welding in the garage and beer go hand in hand. Beer gives the welder a more steady hand. Plus it's a good felling knowing my work is around the states. Most Locost's I can weld on the better.
They say if you chose a profession doing stuff you love that you'll never spend a day "at work." Good for you!

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so you're using a A9L computer now yes?

i remember that there is something to do with the firing order and swapping injector plugs, the pcm knows which plugs go to which injectors so if you're engine uses the early firing order you can reposition the injector plugs in the harness.

or switch to the 351 timing replacing your cam.
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