should i shorten them all?
Moderator: horizenjob
- HarmalloyX
- Posts: 66
- Joined: April 16, 2012, 5:52 pm
- Building: Grand Prix FWD donor
- Location: aiken SC
should i shorten them all?
theres a lot of extra feet of wire in there. Do yall think i should i shorten them all and use 100 or so splice connectors, or just leave them be as they are? anyone been here before and have some sage wisdom?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- SkinnyG
- Posts: 1341
- Joined: September 30, 2005, 1:28 am
- Building: Lethal Locost
- Location: Sunny-Okanagan, Canada, eh?!
- Contact:
Re: should i shorten them all?
I shortened everything in my Locost, and my idea was if I kept it all "original" (but shortened) wiring, it would be easy to diagnose and repair.
When I redo the car, I will strip everything out except the bare essentials, and be as simple and efficient as possible.
When I redo the car, I will strip everything out except the bare essentials, and be as simple and efficient as possible.
- dhempy
- Man of Constant Hazard
- Posts: 3204
- Joined: February 20, 2006, 11:18 am
- Building: 1.6 Miata 442
- Location: Lexington, KY
- Contact:
Re: should i shorten them all?
I did mine. Not only shorten it, but eliminate lots of abandoned circuits, like ABS, radio, etc. Perhaps best of all, it really forces you to _understand_ the harness. Removes a lot of mystery.
That said, it's a big undertaking. Check your work frequently and ring out all you connections. You're sure to make a few bad crimps along the way.
That said, it's a big undertaking. Check your work frequently and ring out all you connections. You're sure to make a few bad crimps along the way.
...nowadays people are so intellectually lazy and lethargic that they can't build ANYTHING with their hands. They'll spend hours watching whiny people marooned on an island, but won't spend a second adding anything to the world. -weconway
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
- dhempy
- Man of Constant Hazard
- Posts: 3204
- Joined: February 20, 2006, 11:18 am
- Building: 1.6 Miata 442
- Location: Lexington, KY
- Contact:
Re: should i shorten them all?
My '93 harness lost about 25 pounds through the process. Not bad, but there was a _lot_ of time invested to get that reduction. Unless you're building a race car, it is of dubious value just to save weight.
viewtopic.php?p=75472#p75472
viewtopic.php?p=75472#p75472
...nowadays people are so intellectually lazy and lethargic that they can't build ANYTHING with their hands. They'll spend hours watching whiny people marooned on an island, but won't spend a second adding anything to the world. -weconway
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
- HarmalloyX
- Posts: 66
- Joined: April 16, 2012, 5:52 pm
- Building: Grand Prix FWD donor
- Location: aiken SC
Re: should i shorten them all?
i also would a lot less trust in it. a spliced wire isnt as good as one that has never been cut.dhempy wrote: ↑September 21, 2025, 5:28 pm My '93 harness lost about 25 pounds through the process. Not bad, but there was a _lot_ of time invested to get that reduction. Unless you're building a race car, it is of dubious value just to save weight.
viewtopic.php?p=75472#p75472
- horchoha
- Posts: 2569
- Joined: March 19, 2011, 10:22 am
- Building: locost super seven
- Location: Holden, Alberta, Canada
Re: should i shorten them all?
I stripped/shortened all my harnesses to just what was needed.
I don't crimp, all my splices are soldered and shrink sleeved which gives me peace of mind.
As said it is a big undertaking but the payoff is that you get very intimate with your harness which is a good thing when building your own car.
I don't crimp, all my splices are soldered and shrink sleeved which gives me peace of mind.
As said it is a big undertaking but the payoff is that you get very intimate with your harness which is a good thing when building your own car.
Perry
'If man built it, man can fix it'
"No one ever told me I couldn't do it."
"If you can't build it safe, don't build it."
Perry's Locost Super Che7enette Build
Perry's TBird Based 5.0L Super 7 L.S.O
Perry's S10 Super 7 The 3rd
Perry's 4th Build The Topolino 500 (Little Mouse) Altered
Perry's 5th Build the Super Slant 6 Super 7
Perry's Final Build the 1929 Mercedes Gazelle
'If man built it, man can fix it'
"No one ever told me I couldn't do it."
"If you can't build it safe, don't build it."
Perry's Locost Super Che7enette Build
Perry's TBird Based 5.0L Super 7 L.S.O
Perry's S10 Super 7 The 3rd
Perry's 4th Build The Topolino 500 (Little Mouse) Altered
Perry's 5th Build the Super Slant 6 Super 7
Perry's Final Build the 1929 Mercedes Gazelle
- dhempy
- Man of Constant Hazard
- Posts: 3204
- Joined: February 20, 2006, 11:18 am
- Building: 1.6 Miata 442
- Location: Lexington, KY
- Contact:
Re: should i shorten them all?
If you solder, make sure both sides are securely supported near by. A soldered wire will break just outside the solder when subjected to vibration due to the stress riser of the rigid solder next to the flexible copper. Solder joints are not allowed in aircraft -- crimps only.
Regular heat shrink problably helps. A stiffer, sealing butt joint like this probably does better:
https://www.amazon.com/Connectors-Haiss ... B08F46WKCZ
But either way, make sure the wire is supported on both ends and its not moving around.
And agreed with @harmalloyx , that reliability likely goes down when modifying the harness. You *could* remove pins from connectors and re-pin them to avoid splices...but I feel like any homebrew job would be less reliable than a factory pin job, so strike your balance.
Regular heat shrink problably helps. A stiffer, sealing butt joint like this probably does better:
https://www.amazon.com/Connectors-Haiss ... B08F46WKCZ
But either way, make sure the wire is supported on both ends and its not moving around.
And agreed with @harmalloyx , that reliability likely goes down when modifying the harness. You *could* remove pins from connectors and re-pin them to avoid splices...but I feel like any homebrew job would be less reliable than a factory pin job, so strike your balance.
...nowadays people are so intellectually lazy and lethargic that they can't build ANYTHING with their hands. They'll spend hours watching whiny people marooned on an island, but won't spend a second adding anything to the world. -weconway
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
Visit my [Locost 7 build log]
- SkinnyG
- Posts: 1341
- Joined: September 30, 2005, 1:28 am
- Building: Lethal Locost
- Location: Sunny-Okanagan, Canada, eh?!
- Contact:
Re: should i shorten them all?
20 years and 20,000km street use and three seasons of autocross - no soldered connections have failed yet. And I've always soldered my connections in all my vehicles.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
- tibimakai
- Posts: 685
- Joined: January 14, 2021, 12:19 pm
- Building: 442E
- Location: San Dimas, CA
Re: should i shorten them all?
I'm planning to solder all my wires as well.
Tibor
'20 Alfa Romeo Stelvio daily
Locost/442E in progress
'20 Alfa Romeo Stelvio daily
Locost/442E in progress
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests